The Democrats gave up so easily and went "I guess we hate transpeople now? Is that why we lost? We didn't hate transpeople enough?" so quickly, that I"m wondering if Trump's election was part of the fucking plan to begin with.
this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2024
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No, some of them were already transphobic but thought they'd lose an election for admitting it. Now they think they will win because of it. They need to learn a lesson.
Second time I've seen this commented, but I must have missed a headline - can someone point me to what this is referencing?
dude they banned a trans congresswoman from the women's bathroom and being a democrat she just went "ok, I'll pee in the men's room I guess"
That I get from a certain angle. There's immense pressure on "firsts" to show that they're not there to implement radical change. That they can just be a functional member of an organization. First woman in a fighter jet, first trans person in Congress, it's the same pressure mechanism. They want to show they can do the job first and foremost.
how did that work out for Obama? he capitulated and capitulated, and removed progressive options from the table just to get them to sit on it, and negotiated with himself on their behalf, compromised on his compromises. what happened? radical Marxist. lol.
you think she's suddenly going to be accepted because she basically agrees she's kind of a man, a little bit, actually? no.
nah democrats just don't have a spine. and that is a really bad thing to lack when the things the other side lacks are shame and honesty.
You're conflating Democrats generally with "firsts". This is something you can find all the way back to women entering the metal work space in World War 2. It's about proving that you're not actually special, you're just a normal person whose capable of doing the job without special accommodations.
You're absolutely right.
The right move would be to make a big show of this, point out the absurdity, rightfully point out that you're being accused of being a rapist without proof, and give a speech where you point out that you just need to pee.
The Right isn't going to say "Oh, so you agree you're a man. Maybe you aren't a man, pee wherever, on my face if you want!"
They're going to say "Glad you know your place [Insert Transphobic Slur Here] now if we can get the rest of your putrid kind to get the memo."
By giving up this fight, she's well on her way to go as far in her career as Ernst Rohm did in his.
Don't know who that is? One of Hitler's closest allies, a commanding officer of the Nazis, a leading member of the Nazi Party, on a first name basis with Adolf himself...
He was also a homosexual who agreed with carting the [Insert Homophobic Slur Here]s off to camp even though he was openly gay because "Me and Hitler are bros, he's not going to....."
We'll never know how that sentence ended because they put the chloroform over his face and then he found himself waking up in line for the gas chamber.
For fuck's suck.... Anywhere else in the country and that's a discrimination lawsuit.
What the fuck?
If you ignore the urinals, there really isn't much point in separate bathrooms anyways. Especially in posh bathrooms like I'm sure they have in Congress where they pay the extra bucks to have actual doors on the stalls. This is one of those cases where arguing with idiots just makes you look like the idiot. Going along shows how ridiculous the moral panic was in the first place.
idk why you're downvoted, I agree. gendered bathrooms are pointless; it's not like people get naked there anyway. and fuck urinals. they're dumb.
that being said of you're gonna have gendered bathrooms you can't police genitals; gonna have to go with the honor code.
it's all pointless and the security excuse is bullshit. it's ridiculous that these rules would assume a rapist wouldn't get deterred by the laws against rape but would totally be stumped by a fucking sign that says "biological".
What’s wrong with urinals? They’re super quick and easy
it's in the open, it usually allows splashback, also peeing standing up is not that good for you anyway. not washing after you shit is quick and easy too; doesn't mean it's good. speaking of which, I think urinals encourage people who don't wash their hands because it's quick and easy.
I want to be more optimistic, but I'm looking for the ingredients we'd need to push back effectively on the creeping fascism any time in the near future, and they don't seem to be here.
Democrats need a massively leftward and populist shift to differentiate themselves from Republicans in the eyes of uninformed voters, and I think there's just too much pushing against it. All the biggest channels of information are controlled by billionaires. They are not going to present any progressive efforts in a positive light, and they've become really effective at setting people who have common interests against each other. That, or inundating us so much that people understandably become numb to it and tune out. Trump was about as blatantly awful as a candidate could ever be, and he still won.
I'm fearing all we have to look forward to is 10 steps back under Republicans then 1 step forward under Democrats before Republicans take control again. Democrat leadership seems to prefer losing to winning with a progressive agenda.
A foul-mouthed, shit-talking, no-bullshit pro union pro lgbtq pro healthcare ballbuster who's sick of pussyfooting, eggshell walking, and capitulating could do wonders.
Trump's irreverance, but paired with competence, a heart, and basic, decent, sensible views.
It's been what? Two weeks? We sure give up quickly.
Fighting against fascism is about constant small victories. Saying no. Suing at every step. Making it to the next election with things as intact as we can make them. Maybe it won't work, though it is sure as hell better than expecting the Democrats to step up. If we want reform, let's cause reform.
Trump won by 1.6% of the popular vote. Not a single one of us are as alone as we think. Yeah, sure, a break would be great. We don't get that. Moreover, we are a young country and in that time there have been governments who to many people were fascist in nature, repressive on a good day. We came out of those times better than we were because we stood up together. It's time to hold accountable those who deserve it once again. Freedom has a price and we are mostly here because of our apathy, make no mistake, and our unwillingness to engage in greater numbers locally and in midterms. However, from there it's on the people near and at the top.
We are the ingredients. Every action we take, even something as small as standing up for a couple in a restaurant, is a small push back.
People are dealing with a serious fucking blow. Emotionally.
Probably a liiiitle soon to declare a give-up.
.Fighting against fascism is about constant small victories.
That's not generally the way fascism is defeated. Sometimes yes, but it usually takes a somewhat more aggressive approach. We should take that possible future seriously as well, even as we work to avoid it.
Democrats need a massively leftward and populist shift to differentiate themselves from Republicans in the eyes of uninformed voters
In the eyes of informed voters too.
Democrat leadership
It's the Democratic Party.
The US just elected a child rapist, and convicted felon, who praised Hitler's generals and said he wants to be a dictator. Oh, and he also wants to ahave everyone who ever stood against him murdered. Only 30% of eligible voters actively tried to stop it.
If you thought the Dems were conservative before, just wait and see how far right they can jump in order to chase the only group that will show up to the polls every damn time, no matter how stupid, or how fake and repeatedly disproven the reason is.
Demolish Citizens United. That would make a world of difference.
You want ingredients? I have a cocktail recipe
Im sure compared to the interment camps, this is nothing.
We don't have internment camps again yet.
And if you care at all, you’ll do your part to make sure
We haven't even opened the new camps yet.
But yeah buy a gun now before gun sales are restricted based on political affiliation.
We haven’t opened the new ones but Mr Takei did grow up in one being a Japanese American of a certain age
I love George Takei as much as the next person, and I know what he went through as a child, but what is his part? Tweeting about it?
We need concrete solutions, not rah rah platitudes.
I almost listed a few of his activism and fundraising initiatives, but then I thought: If this person doesn't think a nearly 90 year old gay man, who survived an internment camp, has seen some shit and has some wisdom to share, I probably won't be the one to open their eyes.
That's very cute of you, but I did say I also love George Takei. I know he has wisdom to share. I just don't think this is useful right now.
So if not tweeting about it, WTF are you expecting from him? Be specific.
Okay. Here's a concrete solution on a small scale:
Begin getting together signatures and run for local office, or become involved by going to council meetings and challenging stupid perspectives with courage and audacity.
What/who do you think he is referring to as worse?
George Takei was five years old when he and his family were sent to a Japanese American internment camp during World War II - so probably that among the other political events and upheavals since
Wasn't he actually interred in a camp during WWII? And he lived through the AIDS crisis as a gay man
Probably his three years in three different internment camps.
He has a graphic novel biography about his childhood growing up in internment camps. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand a bit of American history that they don't really teach in schools.
Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Bush
Just my guess though.