politics

I'm all for it. The Democrats have been a joke since they fucked Bernie. They're terrible and don't give a shit about their voters.

No shit?!

The writing was on the wall when they ignored voters moving towards the Democratic Socialist. The money was more important.

Populism is relatively easy, even when that populist is a fascist.

We've had several elections in recent memory where it's been really clear that progressive Democrats win elections compared to centrists (mostly midterm elections but still). Somehow that lesson hasn't stuck, and I wouldn't be surprised if Harris' defeat also doesn't teach this lesson. At this point the old guard really just needs to die.

People want change, GOP is offering it and people are eating it up. They just have no idea how incredibly stupid that version of change is.

Or, now hear me out, Socialism.

the party is hopelesslty corrupted and wont even acknowledge why they lost. Its time to dump the dems and build up a progressive party.

I think its time to deconstruct it tbh. Name's tainted and "neither" has been the most popular candidate for the past 3 election cycles now. People are itching for a new party to support that doesn't make them feel like their vote is worthless

How do you construct a worker's party in a country where corporate bribery has been made legal and there is a class of billionaires ready and eager to squash any legitimate improvement to worker's living conditions with their nearly unlimited power/capital? They literally own the means of state and media propaganda, and the means of state violence to protect our beloved economy from the society that exists in subservient subsistence to it.

I vote blue out of harm reduction, but there's no escape in the US without necessary complete governmental and economic collapse. It is too well corrupted into protecting capital over people. I think in the desire for perpetual stability for the sake of commerce/profit, something vital was simply discarded in the modern nation state model:

The renewal that can only come from the collapse of the past.

Reconstruct?

Raize it with impunity and forge something actually good

Good. A party that is not beholden to its constituents has no business running for office.

I wonder if it's just a bit of an overreaction to draw conclusions about the Democratic Party when the difference between Kamala and donvict is < 2%, the Democrats ran a VP after Biden dropped out very late in the election cycle without any primary, incumbents the world over are getting voted out, the candidate was a woman in a nation full of misogyny, AND people have this perception about inflation (that is mostly wrong).

Anyone going to factor that in at all?

Dems didn't "lose" the working class. Misinformation overshadowed the message.

There's a lot the Dems can do for unions and working-class normal folks. But Kamala could have cured cancer with a touch and they wouldn't have believed it because everything else they consume downplays the improving economy, security and stability under Biden so it was ultimately useless.

Buckets of roubles on Facebook and X won this election.

Are these the same union leaders who backed Trump, because while they're right about the need for reconstruction, I'd like to exclude any fascists from the effort.

You can reconstruct the Democrat party all you want. It won't make stupid Americans smart. They'll still fall for whoever is best at peddling misinformation, fear, and hate.

The internet and media in general has been weaponized. So unless we're talking about the Democrat party learning how to go low and spread extreme misinformation and paranoia in order to win an election, then we're just wasting our time talking.

How would that even work? They are doing exactly what their ~~owners~~ donors want.

Are they saying that rich people should want unions or that there needs to be other ways to fund politics?

While I wish them luck, the DNC is structured in a manner that retains power for those with the best ability to secure donations, and these donations come overwhelmingly from wealthy Capitalists. Moving the DNC to a more progressive platform has been the project of Bernie and the Squad for decades, and it seems to have little impact on the broader party line. The DNC isn't really organized in a democratic manner, it operates more like a business.

Workers should instead focus on rapidly expanding their own organizations, which does make a meaningful impact on policy adopted. If you have something to bring to the bargaining table, the DNC is more likely to play ball, but you have to make them do it.

I wouldn't mind it honestly.

Fuck the Democrats.

After that piss poor performance and immediate "we're going to just do it again" what do they think people are going to bother getting out for?

Run Harris and the same shit again and get fewer votes than last time dipshits I don't care.

Edit also to clarify I mean the DNC/ party leaders not voters. But fuck me too lol

Start by investigating musks money for votes scheme