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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Dems didn't "lose" the working class. Misinformation overshadowed the message.

There's a lot the Dems can do for unions and working-class normal folks. But Kamala could have cured cancer with a touch and they wouldn't have believed it because everything else they consume downplays the improving economy, security and stability under Biden so it was ultimately useless.

Buckets of roubles on Facebook and X won this election.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The Dems began bleeding the working class after Carter.

The problem is that - outside of Obama in 2008 (who campaigned as left of Clinton), and Sanders in 2016 and 2020 - there have been almost ZERO efforts to court the increasingly jaded and apathetic working class voters who have to work harder and harder every cycle only to be disappointed by the candidate they believed in not following through with decreasingly attractive policy proposals.

Again, she wasn’t TERRIBLE, and no matter how disconnected she was, she would have been > than 🍊… but her team had her trotting out LIZ CHENEY over allowing a Palestinian to speak on stage at the DNC.

This idea that there was NOTHING she could have done to win over the small percentage of apathetic voters to push her over the edge is simply not true.

The enthusiasm from the Democratic base disappeared shortly after the campaign backed off the sort of initial good decisions they started off with (like choosing Walz and letting him call Rs weird).

…And then the overpaid completely disconnected party consultants just kept pushing her to move all the way to the right as much as she possibly could under the delusion that THIS time (like Clinton tried) we could get the R cultists to come out and vote for her… I mean they had a literal billionaire Mark Cuban excited for their candidacy.

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The DNC has completely abandoned the working class. It's not misinformation. They simply do not care about us.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago

That is baloney.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The DNC has completely abandoned the working class.

Maybe you should try looking up Democrat's voting history and their accomplishments for the working class before you make statements like this.

Democrats are pro union. Biden was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers.

And stupid Americans just decided to vote in the born rich billionaire that has openly stated he is anti-union and anti-worker rights. Democrats aren't the problem. Stupid Americans are.

[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Democrats aren't the problem. Stupid Americans are.

Surely, this messaging is going to help your party from being seen as the out-of-touch party of "coastal elites"

Also, the Democrats are one of the two most powerful capitalist political organizations in the world. They fight and organize for capital, not the working class and definitely not the working class outside the US.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Surely, this messaging is going to help your party from being seen as the out-of-touch party of “coastal elites”

I'm not a politician. I don't care about messaging. I'm stating the obvious. I don't care how many feelings get hurt.

People hold the Democrat party to this extremely high standard and think it's their job to woo and coerce people to vote for them. That's horse shit. It's American's responsibility to be good citizens and inform themselves responsibly and be adults by making intelligent decisions based on actual data.

And anyone that's actually done that knows that the better decision for average Americans is FAR AND AWAY the Democrat party.

They fight and organize for capital, not the working class

Their voting history proves you wrong.

I'm tired of people expecting Democrats to be picture perfect while Republicans prance around talking about immigrants eating people's pets and not being sexually attracted to M&M's anymore because liberals ruined that for them and winning fucking elections by doing so.

It's fucking pathetic and it's American's fault for being stupid. Period.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yup.

Everyone's crying about the Democrat party, but they're ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than the Republican party. Seriously, people need to stop whining and compare both party's voting history and accomplishments. It's not even a contest. Democrats get more done.

The bottom line is the majority of Americans aren't intelligent enough to navigate this new age of weaponized misinformation. That isn't Democrat's fault. All they can really do is try to weaponize misinformation to combat Republican's misinformation. And that's morally wrong. Probably the only way though.

Stupid populace. Dark future.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world -2 points 3 days ago

Everyone’s crying about the Democrat party

Also, please, for the love of $DEITY, don't call them this. There is no such thing as the Democrat party. This is an epithet from the right.