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[–] Not_mikey 27 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Another way to view this is that the poor are voting republican now. Trump won those making less than $100,000 handedly while Harris won those making above. Probably because he's offering them a solution to there problems, deport the immigrants and bring manufacturing back. His plan is dumb and won't work but at least he's putting something forward unlike Harris who says everything will stay the same.

The democrats are slowly becoming the party of the out of touch elite, and memes like this don't help. The democrats need to be putting forward solutions to those problems, and trump has shown it doesn't matter if they're viable or will actually help. If these "dumb poor people are rubes who will fall for anything" give them something to fall for. Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Say your going to tax the billionaires at 50% and use that money to pay for Healthcare and child care, don't cozy up to them so you can raise another billion dollars to lose another election .

That was basically Harris' tax plan.

What Would Kamala Harris's Tax Plans Mean For You? | Kiplinger - https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/kamala-harriss-tax-plans-2024

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter what your platform is if it's not communicated effectively to the median voter

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

How do you communicate effectively to someone with their fingers in their ears screaming nananananananana? Please advise, oh political oracle.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You go on Joe Rogan for one. Kamala ran the last presidential campaign that will ever rely so heavily on the legacy media apparatus. This whole cycle proved that they are only broadcasting to themselves and real people are elsewhere on podcasts, twitter and YT.

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago

She did go on Call Her Daddy.

[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 30 minutes ago

Who do you think the people putting their fingers in their ears are, in this case?

[–] Not_mikey 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

With all the fucking TV ads and mailers the campaign spent billions on. If the average voters is just covering there ears then why spend so much on advertising or why even campaign at all? Yeah some people are like that but they're deep in the maga cult, there's still a large amount of people open to both sides if the messaging is right that decided this election. Harris' messaging didn't work though.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

I mean the marketing was effective. A lot of people including Donald trump thought he was going to lose. Just not effective at getting people who support Biden to get off their ass.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Democrats must be doing something right, if their states have better everything.

Maybe if the Republicans would listen to us, we could all have the best schools and hospitals.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 4 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

They don't have better retention rates.

CA, NY, IL and MA are all in the top 5 for states that have the most people leaving.

TX, FL, NC and AZ are attracting the most people.

Massachusetts has priced out average people. If you aren't the inheritor of some generational wealth you have a better chance of being upwardly mobile elsewhere.

[–] Potatofish@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

This is due to rent gouging, not democrats.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

You can't blame "rent gouging" without blaming the government for condoning it and setting up the conditions that encourage it.

The cost of living in blue states is absolutely due to city/state level Democrats. Democrats write the zoning laws. Democrats decide the tax laws. Democrats build the infrastructure and public transportation. Democrats also vote down rent control and affordable housing requirements.

Red states are controlled by rich Republicans. Blue states are controlled by rich Democrats. Sure, Republican rule makes Oklahoma the shit hole that it is. But don't try to give Democrats a pass for making Massachusetts as expensive as it is.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 110 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

if living in russia taught me anything, people in distress reduce themselves (and got reduced) to the most basic questions, like who is to blame, and populists have them like a piece of cake.

Most vatniks, not unlike MAGAs, don't have answers to many questions, they want to be left alone to manage the hole they happened to be born into, and the promise of a candidate or ideology that does just that or even paints their quest as a herioic one, or a sacred sacrifice, would win again and again until there is someone to work with that and educate them.

They are used to live in shit and depend on themselves, don't know anything better and become pretty jealous if others get that. Others having it worse, especially their 'enemies', kinda makes their own living more bearable. Their struggle is a downpainment for a mission of punishing the unworthy ones.

When a person is downscaled to that childish level of consciousness it's impossible to reach them with rhetorics that don't directly benefit them.

As long as they continue to be like that and their thoughts are unchallenged, they'd always vote maga.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 1 points 25 minutes ago

And as they continue to vote against their own interests it becomes a self-perpetuating system.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

I haven't seen an analysis from your perspective before. Lines up very well with my experience from the Southern US.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 21 points 4 hours ago

Really well said

[–] wieson@feddit.org 17 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Wasn't Oklahoma supposed to be given back to the native tribes? Like more than 50% of it?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago

It was. And in fact the Supreme Court ruled in McGirt v. Oklahoma that the reservations still exist. One consequence is that Google Maps now shades the entire eastern half of the state in dark shading showing the borders between the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and so forth.

The tribal governments are taking an increasing role in providing public services to all of the citizens within their borders, as the civil state government descends deeper into libertarianism.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Oklahoma was built on genocide. Is it any wonder those that govern it are garbage people.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 20 minutes ago

America was built on several genocides. Oklahoma isn't special.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Unlike Massachusetts which was totally uninhabited when people settled there.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 hours ago (6 children)

Massachusetts is also 4th in the country for states with the most people leaving to live elsewhere.

No doubt due to cost of living because Massachusetts is ridiculously expensive. The friends I have there are either leaving or totally resigned to not owning a house or ever retiring. Comparing a historically important coastal population center to a historically poor and strategically insignificant flyover state doesn't prove much.

The states with highest domestic emigration (e.g. people voting with their feet to leave) are overwhelmingly left leaning. (Except for Louisiana and Ohio)

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

As an Ohioan that tracks. We’d long been the poor person’s progressive state but yeah I’m ditching to go somewhere I’m safe, even though it sucks to leave somewhere affordable

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

So progressive places make a place so desirable to live in that people are willing to compete with each other for the experience.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

"Why are blue states always so expensive?!". It's supply and demand. High demand to live someplace makes it expensive.

My million dollar house is worth as much as it is because of its located near high paying jobs, good school, and good neighbors. It's expensive to live where I live because lots of people want to live here.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 15 minutes ago

Yeah, but it's supply and demand. I bet your million dollar home isn't next to an apartment building. Cities would be much cheaper if it weren't for NIMBYs who already own homes insisting that their homes must appreciate in value at all times.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 18 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I crisscrossed Oklahoma on one of my cross-country trips, the state absolutely sucks and they even know it that's why you can legally drive like 80mph through the whole thing.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 hour ago

Kansas also sucks but khp uses the highway as a way to punish people with the wrong license plates. A majority of traffic stops in Kansas were of our of state drivers as recently as a few years ago.

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