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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While I get that this is a legal thing…

It also really shows how divorced from where our food comes from people are. Also, how many products that could be called “butter” that are completely artificial and have no dairy content at all.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In the eu terms like butter and dairy can only be used for milk products.

But our legaslative pendulum did swing a bit too far in the other direction (imo): terms like soja-butter and so on were also banned.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The original intent of that bill was to ban plant-based alternatives from using commonly understood terms and phrases.

It’s not like the EU banning phrases like “soy milk” on packaging was an unintended consequence of some kind of “common sense” law being applied where it shouldn’t be.

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[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago

Akshually it's soy margarine

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

I thought “butter” was the ingredient!

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 158 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Costco forced to recall food that was not labeled to the requirements. In this case, the butter is supposed to be labelled as containing milk. Now, you and me, we know that butter is made from milk or cream, but only a great fool would assume everyone knows what they know.

And, these labels aren't just for the lactose intolerant consumer. The allergen information is fed to computers that handle the automated distribution of products to various uses. That butter might end up as one of a hundred ingredients in a prepackaged donut. If the allergen isn't on the label, the person doing data entry may not realize it. Disney World killed a doctor just last year because of allergen exposure, and that shit happens all the time. It only made the news because Disney tried to enforce an arbitration clause the husband digitally accepted when he tried out Disney+.

The point is, this is not a story about overregulation or snowflakes being too sensitive. Costco fucked up, and their fuckup puts lives at risk. If you happened to buy the improperly labelled butter, congrats on your good fortune, because Costco is going to pay you for their fuckup. You don't have to discard perfectly good butter unless you cannot have dairy, and you didn't yet know that butter contains milk.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Yeah, I work in a restaurant and allergies are a real issue that we deal with nearly every day. There is no such thing as being "too cautious" when you are dealing with the literal life and death of another human.

[–] BedbugCutlefish@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have a lot of deadly food allergies, and I just, don't eat out anymore. Too many trips to the ER. Sucks, cause it makes travel difficult, to plan on cooking my own meals, and basically means I can't safely travel abroad anywhere I'm not 100% fluent in

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Exactly. If I had deadly food allergies instead of uncomfortable ones, I wouldn't trust a stranger to remember.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

My grandma, in her 86 years of life, still needs to check to see if butter has milk in it. She is the use case you mention that we take for granted! (Although at least the only real fallout of her blunder is indigestion and what she does to my bathroom when she visits and has lactose :x)

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Now, you and me, we know that butter is made from milk or cream, but only a great fool would assume everyone knows what they know.

In this day and age of vegan "dairy" products, including butter and cheese (not to mention margarines), I don't think you can even reasonably assume butter has to have milk in it. Because there is a greater than 0% chance it doesn't.

[–] rotten@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Put a sticker on it, make an announcement, done.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Right. That's what a recall is. Kirkland can't put stickers on something they have already sold.

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[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Couldn't have solved this issue with a big batch of stickers?

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

That's probably what will happen -- stickers and restock.

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[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For stuff still on the shelf, probably. For stuff already sold, no so much.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

For the stuff that's already sold, they don't have to destroy it, or do anything really, unless the customer returns it. Hardly any are going to. If the article counts those in the headline number, it's being a little dishonest.

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[–] SiEstUbiEst@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Cool, a headline framing regulation as wasteful, not a fascist wedge at all

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Couldn’t this be solved by printing some stickers?

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

I can't believe it's butter!

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

Sounds like a lot but it's actually just 8 swimming pool sized tubs they mislabeled

[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What do folks think butter is made out of?

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (9 children)

A lot of things, actually. Milk is so clearly and consistently marked as an allergen that I'll often as a vegan just check the allergens if I don't have any reason to suspect the use of meat products, meat byproducts, honey, or non-allergenic dairy ingredients.

I would probably still do a double-take and check the ingredients here, but with the movement to plant-based alternatives, you never know if someone who treats this the same way I do as basically a gold standard (because that's what it's supposed to be) will simply take it at face value. It's also plausible that someone without strong English literacy but with such an allergy would rely solely on the basic allergen label rather than trying to parse more complicated English words.

The reason it has to be strictly enforced like this too is that if you justify this as "well everyone knows ~~it's Butters~~ butter, so it doesn't really need a label", then it's not as trustworthy and therefore efficient to those who need it, and it risks drawing a line where not everyone is on the same page.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I agree. You generally want things to be easy to understand, more so if there are significant consequences for getting it wrong. Making sure that allergens are properly listed lowers the risk of someone accidentally buying something they shouldn't.

Also, while this case is pretty obvious, is important to always insist that all major allergens are listed. Otherwise companies will slack off or make bad calls about when an allergen is obvious. It's like with guns: You should always treat them as ready to fire even when you think you know they're not because a mistake might get someone killed.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens

Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens

Brown paper packages tied up with strings

These are a few of my buttery things

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[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 7 points 3 days ago

How about the god damned salted butter that doesn't mention it has salt anywhere but in the nutrition label? Damned Kerrygold fucking up my mashed potatoes.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

okay guys hear me out. what if instead they gave all 80,000 butters to me. i’m one or the most lactose tolerant people i know, and i promise to put it all to good use.

[–] eccentric@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i promise to put it all to good use

You're going to take a butter bath, aren't you?

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

you don’t need to worry about that part. just give me the butter and i’ll take care of the rest

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