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Summary

Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He's partially right.

Unfortunately, I think the bigger issue is that a majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

“But are there not many fascists in your country?"

"There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the times comes.”

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

I'm not convinced of that at all. Here's what I see:

A large portion of ignorant uneducated and easily manipulatable people who don't even know what fascism is.

  • Large groups of religious people who focus on voting red because Christianity, their churches, pastors, and religious groups, and the abortion issue.

  • Actual bigots. There's a lot of them and they like the racism, anti gay, nationalism, deportation stuff. Want women subjugated.

  • Bullies, tough guys, "alpha male", and the "get money" crowd. There's a lot here too, and many in poor young black and Hispanic groups in addition to a lot of white males. Not necessarily bigots, but generally want women subjugated whether they know it or not (sex objects).

  • The large group of just vote red without thinking because it's what family and friend circles do and always have.

The above I think don't understand fascism at all. Not educated or informed enough.

Edit: I would say to be "indifferent to fascism" you have to actually understand what it is, and I don't think much of the maga crowd does. My opinion/speculation.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I also don't agree. You honestly have to discard a lot of public information to force yourself into this level of ignorance. For nine years he's told us he's a proud piece of shit. If they didn't listen for that long that's on them.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Is it really so hard to believe that’s exactly how millions upon millions of people go about living their lives?

Yes, that does seem completely insane to people like you and me who don’t tolerate that level of willful ignorance in ourselves, but to someone else that’s all just noise that they tune out.

Ever heard the phrase, “Hell is other people“? I’m slowly starting to believe this existence is a punishment.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

I didn't say it's hard to believe. It's hard to stomach it, is my point. Yeah hell really is other people. After this, I now fully believe that most Americans wouldn't piss on me to put out a fire.

We will always be known as a shameful group of probable idiots as a country, and we also will be known as happily setting the first huge fascist domino up then slapping it down carelessly. Autocrats around the world just got a blueprint that will work if they take advantage of idiots properly. We fucked the world, not just ourselves.

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[–] minnow@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

Completely disagree, a person doesn't have to understand what fascism is to be a fascist or indifferent to fascism, any more than they need to be an expert on dogs to not kick or oppose kicking one.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

The what party? America still has more than one political party?

Edit: I don't mean 'both parties are the same, you knuckleheads.' I mean there won't be a Democratic party by the next election. There won't be any parties but the Republican party.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

50/50 on that one. It's just as likely they keep an opposition party to keep up appearances as many dictators do and have sham elections.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Kind of a distinction without a difference when it comes down to how anything works though.

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All I can do is hope that you're wrong

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Oh don't worry! That's what the checks and balances is for. There will always be a check to the executive branch. Sure the executive branch is Republican but the Senate won't be-... Well wait okay it is but at least the house-... Well alright they'll have the executive branch, the house, and the Senate, but the judicial branch is still going to be able to-.... Well at the very least two of them are about to retire and will be replaced with ppl hand picked by president so th-....

Well at least the ice cream machines at McDonald's can be fixed independently now... That's something right?

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Not to rain on your (already overwhelmingly underwhelming) parade, but how long do you think the progress made on Right to Repair will last?

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[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I hate to defend a major party, but it does feel like people expect Democrats to fix all the nation's problems when they have utterly no power to do so.

The reality is most Americans are not with Bernie on the things he's talking about. The average American has been heavily propagandized by the corporate media (not just news media, all of it) to love corporate stuff. Capitalism good, socialism bad, cheap gas good, electric stoves bad. Go to most Americans in the rust belt, that's how they think.

If Democrats are supposed to skip to the part where they implement policies that no one currently supports outside of liberal intellectual circles with all the power they supposedly have, that's skipping to the end. What's Bernie's solution for getting people outside of Vermont on his side to begin with?

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[–] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He’s right. It is time to take back the Democratic Party.

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like your spirit but the Democratic brand and party are entirely dead. Someone will have to start a new progressive party (which will be coopted by capitalism as soon as it shows promise)

[–] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Establishing a new political party is often a challenging and resource-intensive endeavor that may struggle to gain traction. Instead, a more effective approach may be to launch a political movement, advocacy organization, or even form a caucus within an existing major party, such as the Democratic Party.

Drawing from my experience as a former chair holder for the Ohio Green Party, I saw firsthand how difficult it is for smaller parties to sustain momentum and influence. The Green Party was consistently unorganized and unstable, making it challenging to build long-term support or advance impactful policy agendas. Many of these organizational challenges are common across emerging parties, which often lack the resources and structure to compete effectively in a two-party system.

In contrast, launching a movement or organization allows for focused advocacy, mobilization, and influence on public opinion or legislation without the structural and financial constraints of a party. Additionally, establishing a caucus within an established party, like the Democratic Party, enables you to align with its broader base while still advocating for distinct goals and principles, potentially gaining a platform and influence within the party’s framework.

These approaches often provide a clearer path to impact than attempting to overcome the structural obstacles of party formation, allowing for dedicated action and coalition-building within a stable framework, especially in the electoral college system. We have to be realistic here.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

Hell, it worked for the American Assholes caucus or whatever the House MAGAs are calling themselves.

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