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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It is too late for a while now. Try to be safe, even if that means moving.

[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] alleycat@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pretty dystopic that you post this quote, because it is doctored to include catholics. Niemöller's wife explicitly stated that he never included them in his poem. Source: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/was-sagte-niemoeller-wirklich

Martin Niemöllers zweite Frau (seit 1971), Sibylle von Sell  schreibt dazu am 23.4.2000 in h-holocaust https://www.h-net.org/~holoweb/ :.“ The trouble with Martin Niemoeller’s „famous quotation“ is that he never wrote it down – which enabled  so many hitchhikers  over the years to „put themselves on the waggon“. In his  „Confession of Guilt“  (as he called it himself: Schuldbekenntnis in German) the Communists came first, then the Trade Unionists and then the Socialists and then the Jews. NO ONE ELSE.”

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Too late for that.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 36 points 1 day ago

They're the political opposition now. They should do what good opposition work includes. Hold the government accountable, force them to deliver results. Make the people pay attention and realize if their bills become less or more expensive. And I'd say re-consider life-choices. And make some fundamental changes. Maybe start a new political party if the Democrats are beyond hope.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil.

Firstly, undestanding what left actually is would be a good start. You're not talking about the left. You're talking about liberals. Liberalism isn't left. Liberalism is right-wing, and always have been.

The actual left is very happy to be "uncivil."

Secondly, a good second step would be to finally accept that liberals, and liberalism in general, has never, and will never, oppose fascism.

Those are two very basic things you can do right now.

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[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Education, unfortunately those in the most need of it are out of an educational institution so they will only be fed on a diet of commercialism and disinformation.

Some children really did get left behind

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They just did. They'll happily lie in the bed they shat in at first. By the time they realize their mistake, it will be too late.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A cancer metastasizing is the opposite of Americans winning their country back.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This isn't sides anymore.

Until America wants to be tolerant of more than intolerance, it seems it will vote with its penises, wallets, and weapons.

Edit: unnecessary apostrophe

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Maybe Biden could pack the Supreme Court before leaving office.

It wouldn't be a great idea in the long run, but it'd potentially stop the entire system from functioning right now.

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[–] Fester@lemm.ee 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hope there will be a legitimate election in 2028, and show up to the fucking primary before it and in 2026.

I think Trump won because of the economy. Yes, he has a rabid base that really does want his fascism, but the voters who pushed him over the edge are ones suffering because inflation and the wealth gap that has just been allowed to increase unimpeded. Those voters don’t want fascism - they’re just dumb AF and don’t pay attention. They just voted for “change.”

These problems will only increase over the next 4 years, so there will be another opportunity defy the status quo in 2028. We had a chance and failed to do in 2016. We came closer in 2020. We didn’t have a real primary in 2024. When we get to 2028, it’s time to fucking do it.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah yes, because nothing says "change" like "unchecked conservatism"

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 43 points 1 day ago

Well I did say they are dumb AF.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

See, there's the horrifying possibility that they just did and this is what Americans are.

Eh, forget it. they probably need a minute before reckoning with that one.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

you organize to pressure the burgeoise, as always, because they are the ones funding every winning political candidate.

except for americans fascism seem to be tolerable but god forbid you learn from marxism and socialism.

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If Trump actually won, it is too late. Time to make plans to leave if you can, otherwise, prepare for the worst

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There's nothing to win back, this is America, always has been.

You let it burn.

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[–] Willie@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wait 2 years, and hopefully put people who will mitigate the damage into the positions listed on your ballot. All you can do now as a law abiding citizen is wait.

[–] intelisense@lemm.ee 45 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I fear that the next election will be more ceremony than democracy once they have finished rigging it. At this point, I expect a third term for Trump - if he lives that long.

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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let the loud mouthed Marxists finally carry out the revolution they've been babbling about for the past 10 years. Oh wait...

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm not usually known for preaching peace, as I genuinely do not believe there is a peaceful way to defeat fascism. But, now is not the time to kill anyone. Violence at this moment would be ineffective and unfocused.

For the next four years (assuming Trump is not wholesale slaughtering us) becoming a politician would be a better use of your time than engaging in violence. For the next year or two, civic engagement (or political subversion) will have more effect than physically fighting

However, if widespread murder of the innocent begins taking place, please disregard my peaceful message.

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