I wonder if they won't boot Hungary from the EU. It's an "authoritarian democracy" (ie they don't openly accuse the ruling party of cheating, they just don't like the outcome) according to one of the human rights concern troll groups. I believe their supreme court ruled Hungarian law supercedes EU law (that might be Poland that had this ruling, some Polish liberal malded as she told me about this and I was too hammered to care) and now the EU is withholding funds to Hungary, and Hungary blocks some of the anti China and pro Ukraine nonsense.

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I wonder if they won’t boot Hungary from the EU

They'll lose whatever leverage they have in that case.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At this point it's just as likely that Hungary leave EU on its own. The whole premise of EU is that it's supposed to improve the economic situation for member states, and that's not really the case at this point. The EU bureaucracy is actively pursuing policy that's causing incredible amounts of economic harm to the member states.

[–] luchuan@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even before now you surrendered your fiscal sovereignty to join and the satellites were always sacrificed for the core. Now the whole thing is being devoured by America.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

pretty much

[–] luchuan@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

We live in a bourgeois dictatorship

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[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At this point it’s just as likely that Hungary leave EU on its own.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, dictator!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

The point there is that if EU can't provide economic benefit to its members then the whole thing is going to fall apart.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is, by Viktor Orban's own words, an "illiberal democracy". This is a contradiction, voting without rights is hollow. He has his boot on the neck of the press, dissident NGO's are labeled a "national security risk", and LGBTQ people are targeted.

[–] Soselin@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

How does this differ from a liberal democracy?

I think he just means it's a regular western style democracy, with opposition limited to business friendly parties and popular consent manufactured through domination of the media, but they openly hate gay people.

For example, what's one thing you can criticize Orban for in terms of voting rights that isn't also happening in the USA or the UK? It's just the opposition to gay pride parades and ranting about "the homosexual agenda" and dog whistling about "traditional family values", that's what he means. He's basically the GOP or Berlusconi. It's not actually very out of step with the west, he's just open about it in a way that makes mainstream liberals uncomfortable because they care about appearances.

[–] guojing@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

I cant wait for the EU to disintegrate. No one needs these unelected bureaucrats in brussels.