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[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Easily by thwarted by simply proofreading your shit before you submit it

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are professional cheaters and there are lazy ones, this is gonna get the lazy ones.

[–] MalditoBarbudo@programming.dev 24 points 21 hours ago

I wouldn't call "professional cheaters" to the students that carefully proofread the output. People using chatgpt and proofreading content and bibliography later are using it as a tool, like any other (Wikipedia, related papers...), so they are not cheating. This hack is intended for the real cheaters, the ones that feed chatgpt with the assignment and return whatever hallucination it gives to you without checking anything else.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

LLMs can't cite. They don't know what a citation is other than a collection of text of a specific style

You'd be lucky if the number of references equalled the number of referenced items even if you were lucky enough to get real sources out of an LLM

If the student is clever enough to remove the trap reference, the fact that the other references won't be in the University library should be enough to sink the paper

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[–] Track_Shovel 140 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I like to royally fuck with chatGPT. Here's my latest, to see exactly where it draws the line lol:

https://chatgpt.com/share/671d5d80-6034-8005-86bc-a4b50c74a34b

TL;DR: your internet connection isn't as fast as you think

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 116 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the hiway.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 18 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Ages ago, there was a time where my dad would mail back up tapes for offsite storage because their databases were large enough that it was faster to put it through snail mail.

It should also be noted his databases were huge, (they’d be bundled into 70 pound packages and shipped certified.)

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Just a couple of years ago I was sent a dataset by mail, around 1TB on a hard drive.

Later I worked on visualization of large datasets, we didn't have the space to store them locally because they were up to a PB.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Mail dataset in standard-compliant way. Like RFC1149. Don't forget that carrier should be avian carrier.

we didn't have the space to store them locally because they were up to a PB.

Local is very vague word. It can be argued, that anything, that doesn't fit into L1 cache is not local.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

We’re storing data in peanut butter? Please tell me there’s jam involved.

/j it’s amazing we’re talking about petabytes. My first computer had like 600 meg. (Pentium 486 cobbled out of spare- old- parts from my dad’s ~~junk~~”Parts” rack.)

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

😁 ya my first "computer" was a ZX-81 with 1kB of ram, type too much and it was full! A card with a whopping 16kB later came to the rescue.

It's been a wild time in history.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Peregrine falcons FTL…

(There’s this fat fucker that hunts off our building’s rooftop. It waits for a pigeon to strike the neighboring buildings windows and scoops them up. Some how it’s reassuring to know that humans aren’t the only lazy animals. Peregrine are freaking cool though.)

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

That's smart predator behavior! Cull the stupid and injured. Save energy and reduce risk. Live long and prosper.

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[–] Lamps@lemm.ee 146 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just takes one student with a screen reader to get screwed over lol

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 94 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

A human would likely ask the professor who is Frankie Hawkes.. later in the post they reveal Hawkes is a dog. GPT just hallucinate something up to match the criteria.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

The students smart enough to do that, are also probably doing their own work or are learning enough to cross check chatgpt at least..

There's a fair number that just copy paste without even proof reading...

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[–] BatmanAoD@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Presumably the teacher knows which students would need that, and accounts for it.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 day ago

Btw, this is an old trick to cheat the automated CV processing, which doesn't work anymore in most cases.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 164 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] BanjoShepard@lemmy.world 109 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think most students are copying/pasting instructions to GPT, not uploading documents.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 150 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Right, but the whitespace between instructions wasn't whitespace at all but white text on white background instructions to poison the copy-paste.

Also the people who are using chatGPT to write the whole paper are probably not double-checking the pasted prompt. Some will, sure, but this isnt supposed to find all of them its supposed to catch some with a basically-0% false positive rate.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah knocking out 99% of cheaters honestly is a pretty good strategy.

And for students, if you're reading through the prompt that carefully to see if it was poisoned, why not just put that same effort into actually doing the assignment?

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 86 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, so forgive me, but I expect carefully reading the prompt is still orders of magnitude less effort than actually writing a paper?

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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 day ago (33 children)

My college workflow was to copy the prompt and then "paste without formatting" in Word and leave that copy of the prompt at the top while I worked, I would absolutely have fallen for this. :P

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Something I saw from the link someone provided to the thread, that seemed like a good point to bring up, is that any student using a screen reader, like someone visually impaired, might get caught up in that as well. Or for that matter, any student that happens to highlight the instructions, sees the hidden text, and doesnt realize why they are hidden and just thinks its some kind of mistake or something. Though I guess those students might appear slightly different if this person has no relevant papers to actually cite, and they go to the professor asking about it.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

They would quickly learn that this person doesn't exist (I think it's the professor's dog?), and ask the prof about it.

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