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Would you like it to grow so all of your other, non-technical interests could have active communities? Do you want more people for moral and philosophical reasons? Or are you enjoying being in a niche? Are you happy to have a platform full of techie individuals, even in communities not explicitly tied to anything techie (much like this one)?

My answer to all of these is “yes,” so I’m not quite sure what I want. What are your thoughts?

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago

Yes, but quality over quantity. I was a redditor back in the early days, pre Digg migration. Being a redditor meant something back then, almost universally meant you were tolerant, usually but not always somewhat liberal, and with a very strong sense of fairness. I remember a good friend of mine started dating someone and when they mention their new partner was a redditor I am immediately thought oh good, that means they are very likely a good person (they ended up married). Reddit has of course grown since then, but not all of the growth is good. I used to go there for engaging discourse, knowing that I was surrounded by other relatively smart people and we could have respectful discussion on almost any subject. Those discussions are few and far between now.

So yes I would like Lenny and the fediverse to grow, but I am more interested in what kind of people we attract than simply growing numbers. When I would rather do is create a reputation that the fediverse is a place to come before respectful discourse and sharing of ideas, not just scrolling through page after page of mindless content like on a big tech social platform (FB / Insta / TikTok / etc).

[–] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes. I want all fediverse apps to grow to the point of being the default.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Imagine how good the apps could be with the userbase the size of Reddit supporting them.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It could go either way. Probably not the way we'd like it to go. Name one time broad adoption hasn't ruined something cool you loved.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dont think grow is inherently bad, its just that we might have clown instances prop up though.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 13 hours ago

I mean Wikipedia and Openstreetmaps are still pretty good even though they’re popular.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 62 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah. This is such a better experience than past community tools I have used.

In particular, I hope we can attract the Do-It-Yourself repair community, before the current platforms lock all of that content away.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Absolutely as I have been advocating for the platform to grow by convincing folks from Reddit to make the jump as Lemmy is a solid upgrade. With its open source, third-party apps, community ran servers, more detailed statistics and public modlogs.

Here’s to 100k active users 🍻

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 40 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Absolutely. I think the setup of the Fediverse in general as well as the outlook on it by the majority of admins would allow Lemmy to keep its charm even when it grows to a much bigger size.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'd also like to see specialist instances. There could absolutely be a separate instance that has major sports, for example. Or even just the NFL. Kind of like the benefits of old forums, but with the benefits of federation and Reddit.

More geographic based instances would also be great.

Otherwise I'm not into more instances just for defederation's sake. Email works just fine having most users in a few major hosts. Lemmy can be similar. It's the option to leave that is important.

[–] everett@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

separate instance that has major sports

https://fanaticus.social/

[–] andrew_s@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

There are instances like https://soccer.forum
https://nba.space
https://nfl.community

The communities aren't super-active because the idea is that they're remote-only, but that means they don't get the benefit that comes from local users browsing their local feed.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Every country should start its own instance. I wanna see a Brunei instance as Malaysia has one already!

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The way I feel about it is that I don't want Lemmy to grow for growth's sake. I want people to understand how important it is to use open protocols and free software to communicate with others and that is what will lead Lemmy and other Fediverse applications to grow.

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes and no. Would be nice to have more active niche communities, but I don't want this place to become full-on Reddit.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Local instance culture will prevent the platform from feeling so cold like on Reddit and it helps that the platform isn’t ran by a corporation.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Yes, I would like Lemmy to grow organically with people who share interests.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

I don't run my own instance, but one concern I see grappled with by instances, at some time in their existence, is how to handle image storage and embedding. I won't pretend to know the options or have opinions on which to use or how to resolve the larger issues, but I see that as a large hurdle to mainstream, in addition to the points referenced by OP.

[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yes, because I still have to go to Reddit for gaming content. It's getting more and more, but on Lemmy they are still small or some don't exist. I try my best to interact with content on Lemmy, but sadly I'm not much of a post submitter.

People against it have a valid reason but at the end we should admit, communities in the size of a Discord, don't have too mich value, as one might just go on Discord than. Communities here need to grow to get independent from controlled social media platforms. It's the future.

Lemmy is already the same quality of conversations as Reddit, as long as you spend some time curating your instances and block some communities. Subscribing however would be much better, but right now there's a bit too little content.

[–] Today@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I like it how it is. There are a lot of us who are non-tech. I see enough cat posts and cannabis-related posts seem to be increasing recently. I could use more knitting and crochet content and more 3d printing would be nice but I'm ok waiting for those to grow slowly.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I could provide some knitting pictures specially for you. But unfortunately I have no interest or skill when it comes to knitting so I bet it's better if I don't. Plus I don't think my GF would like it if I started messing with her yarn.

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[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, but slowly. Every time I go to the Reddit front page and just see astroturfing and vapid pop culture stuff, then go to the comments and see 75% repetitive bot comments, I realize how much that place sucks now. I want more niche discussion spaces, but I don't want reddit again anytime soon.

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[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think the big thing is that Lemmy isn't nearly as monetizable as other social media. What that means to me is that if we do grow, it'll be largely organic. It'll be at a pace where the culture won't change overnight. If we get big enough to have real issues, we can meaningfully splinter to more manageable sizes, or moderate shit stains into instances with no reach beyond themselves.

In short, so long as we maintain interoperability standards, I think we will have all the tools needed to keep things from enshittification. We might just grow out of pure longevity as other social media enterprises slowly but surely kill themselves.

But that could be wishful thinking. Who knows!

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I would imagine if the growth was too tremendous, the instance owners could always temporarily disable sign ups until more server infrastructure is ramped up.

I can imagine this happening after Reddit loses more giants like BrookValley and once all the mobile third party mobile apps contain all the Lemmy features. I remember in June of last year when all the iOS apps were in beta and Wefwef was the only option and god forbid you wanted to do some modding on the fly and now look how far we have come.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lemmy should be the replacement for reddit IMHO.

Don't get me wrong. I'm enjoying the recent influx since the recent reddit migrations, while still staying niche. And I'm appreciating being amongst like minded, generally leftist communities here.

But if it requires opening up the floodgates to idiots, fascists, and trolls in order to kill reddit, so be it. As long as there are no algorithms, advertisers, and spez's, I'm all for more lemmings.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 10 points 3 days ago

Of course I want the communities I enjoy to grow but not at the expense of the platform. Too much growth and it'll turn into another reddit situation with a bunch of unoriginal dipshits reposting meme responses to everything over and over. I'd rather things stay as they are then turn into that. At least now you can have interesting discussions with people when you do actually get a response.

[–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes. No to the Reddit's size though.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

More people more better. Would also like to see a more balanced political bias here.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It will be interesting seeing libertarian instances spring up.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -1 points 1 day ago

Yeah would really set a gold standard of free communication on the fediverse i recon.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago

I don't think more people will help with that. If like to see it at just the size that's not really interesting for astroturfing

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I want Lemmy to grow. I want federated ActivityPub-based communities to eventually be the general public's default way of asking and answering questions, sharing information however obscure, i.e. replace not just reddit, but most web forums, Facebook groups, etc. too. I have liked things based on open standards for all my life, and will never stop wanting them to be widely adopted.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes, I do want Lemmy to grow .... but to grow organically and naturally over a very long period of time instead of artificially in a short period of time just to make some idiot or a small group of idiots a bunch of money.

Growing over a long period of time will also allow developers, maintainers and managers to grow with increased size over time. Instead of panicking over sudden exponential growth, they can slowly build stronger more robust systems over time. Also, if something is grown over a long period of time ... it will also take a long period of time for it be destroyed, dissolved or disregarded. If you grow something way too fast, chances are the risks increase for it to disappear just as quickly.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, absolutely.

The nice thing about Reddit was that if I saw a new TV show, read a new novel, or picked up a new hobby, there would be an existing community of people already talking about it. Lemmy is great, but it doesn't have the critical mass of people needed for that to be possible.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Time to start creating those communities baby!

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. I came here after the Reddit API debacle. I hoped Lemmy would be a good substitute, but we don't have enough users or enough posters.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m trying to post as much as I can to drive more conversation. Once people see all the benefits and experience the well crafted Lemmy third-party apps they wouldn’t want to go back.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Thank you for doing that. I enjoy your posts.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago

I want to see the fediverse grow to enter the mainstream. For forum stuff specifically, that means as big or bigger than reddit. The more people discover and work on this federated form thing, the better. There will be better moderation tools, better filtering, better website experience and design, hopefully more developers enjoying opensource, etc.

And most of all, I want to see how this network will cope with not just a few thousand people talking but millions, maybe billions. If it can survive becoming mainstream, stay opensource, and ad-free, that I think we'll be a step closer to a better internet.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I like it niche and I'm here when it is niche but I'd love to see it grow. I'd honestly love it to complete replace reddit and be even bigger. I doubt that'd ever happen but it'd be cool. I'd love to see Lemmy be the new thing to find answers from people in any topic just like reddit was for a while

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Lemmy will be bigger than Reddit as reasons why is it is taking a while to grow is because people are still learning about it and creating their first accounts however once that initial barrier is knocked down they’re here to stay. It also didn’t help much back then the third party apps weren’t so great during the api migration. And many moderators did not have expertise to start up their own instances so some decided to stay in the spez platform.

I have had many people in classic wow tell me they never heard of Lemmy until I brought it up in guild chat. So hopefully I convinced a few to try out the platform.

[–] grrgyle 9 points 3 days ago

More niche communities outside of the closed platforms would be great, but doesn't have to be lemmy per se. Anything federated would be great.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd love for it to be large enough to have an r/stalker type sub again. I loved that community on reddit and niche game communities don't really exist here. I've never met a single person in North America who has played that series, so I don't have anyone left to discuss it with.

[–] Zirconium@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Definitely just want more niche communities.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Eh... I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, it sure would be nice if there were more gamers here and every individual game had its own community, that was actually active, like Reddit does.

On the other, I've seen literally every space I've ever used get ruined by having too many people watering down the fun and altering the vibe. Eternal September fucking sucks.

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