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A new poll suggests that Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein is drawing more voters from former President Donald Trump than from Vice President Kamala Harris.

According to a Noble Predictive Insights survey released last week, Harris holds a narrow lead over Trump in a hypothetical three-way race. With Stein on the ballot, Harris' lead expands, pointing to a potential spoiler effect similar to what many Democrats blamed Stein for doing to Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

For Trump, the emergence of Stein as a potential spoiler may be a critical factor in battleground states, where even a small shift in votes could determine the outcome. For Harris, Stein's candidacy could paradoxically provide an unexpected advantage, drawing votes from Trump and narrowing his pathway to victory.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 14 minutes ago

Do you think all of those people who have been saying that third-party voters are going to destroy the US will be apologizing in the comment section here?

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 0 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

Always make both parties worried: threaten to vote for a third party to keep the main party on its toes. But vote for the main party on the actual day. This isn't a time for idealism.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 minutes ago

Sure, if you're willing to take your actions to the streets and have a large following behind you, then by all means strike while the fire is hot.

But if you're not organised other than a vague internet presence, now is really not the time to fuck about.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 19 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Libs will still blame leftists like blue maga wants them to.

[–] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 81 points 19 hours ago

I won't believe a single poll until this election is over. There is so much incentive for misinformation out there it is unbearable. Just get out and vote.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 22 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I'm struggling really hard to see which voter is on the fence between Trump and Stein. Wouldn't it be more likely to be on the fence between Stein and Harris, or Stein and the couch?

[–] Naryn@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

People who don't like Trump but are too anti Democrat to vote Harris

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 2 points 31 minutes ago

One could still be pro Democrat or pro democracy, and still do not like Harris. Many things can be true at the same time.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago

Not as many people hate Harris specifically as hated Hillary, but a lot of people (for good and bad reasons) hate the Dems and also Kamala to some extent.

[–] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 18 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I think Trump draws a lot of broad support from his 'anti-establishment' rhetoric so it kinda makes sense for folks to look to other anti-establishment candidates as an alternative to him. There's a tendency to look down upon Trump voters as only right wingers, conspiracists etc and not really understand that a lot of his support is superficial and based on limited information.

In a way it's not so much that Stein or other left candidates are spoilers for the establishment Dems but more the case that figures like Trump are spoilers for progressive alternatives to the establishment.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 16 hours ago

Jill Stein is providing spite voters an option to not vote for Donald Trump.

Hillary took a lot of friendly fire in 2016 from the Bernie Bros who were not too happy.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Ranks 60 out 284 in Five Thirty-Eight's rankings. Not bad.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 17 hours ago (5 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

most don't pay attention; so they wouldn't notice.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago

Jill Stein releases a statement: "To be clear, I only want Kamala votes please! Only former Kamala voters!"

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What about four-way race? Some states still have RFK on the ballot 🥴

[–] BlueLineBae@midwest.social 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In Illinois, we had RFK and no Jilly-bean.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 2 points 17 hours ago

Yep. Thought that was weird since he dropped out.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago
[–] seth@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

"No shit," seth suggests.

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