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[–] Digital_man@lemmy.one 80 points 2 months ago (31 children)

White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.

Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 82 points 2 months ago (1 children)

White capitalism

This is just called capitalism.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now...

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Also Black Wall Street got hate crimed off the face of the earth, so I'd say "white capitalism" is fair enough.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Capitalism is the Sociopath's Ideology and hence it will always promote the use of any power advantages to exploit the less powerful, with no consideration for the fellings of others or harm done to them, for fairness or for morality.

Which is why it had to be something outside Capitalism to push for fairer treatment of POC and even then every single day in America it's an uphill fight for those amongst them who remain disadvantaged: that previous exploitation of them as powerless due to their ethnicity meant that when the discriminatory treatment on the color of their skin was reduced (not eliminated, but certainly comparativelly much reduced), they ended up poor people and hence still the victims of discrimination and exploitation, because the poor too are less powerful than most and hence exploited to the max under Capitalism, and as an overexploited group it's incredibly harder for them to pull themselves out of poverty or help their children do so, which means that situation is entrenched.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Technically Capitalism isn't an ideology, but a state in development of the productive forces. Liberalism is the ideology of Capitalism.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 76 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] M1nds3nd@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Rest in power. Fuck the Chicago PD.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago

It's so, so sad that none of them, or the FBI, has had to pay for their crimes. Not to mention all the other murders the US has committed around the globe. The people who planned and carried out these murders haven't paid for them in the slightest.

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Excuse me, may I deposses you of this image? It would be a fine addition to my collection.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

Of course, memes are communal.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I think it's fucking bullshit they murdered Fred Hampton and got away with it.

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Capitalism has race now? Or are they suggesting to use race as a product?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Black capitalism" is historically the approach of some African American* communities and individuals to resist racial oppression by embracing capitalism and out-competing whites in it, essentially. This met its most famous manifestation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which developed a wealthy black capitalist class, but neighboring white towns got mad at this and basically leveled a good portion of the town and killed many people. For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

The most famous "black capitalism" proponent is the Jamaican-born American Marcus Garvey, who some Rastafarians worship as a prophet. To poison the well immediately, he was supported by the KKK in his projects to send African Americans "back to" Africa, because their ideologies and aims of ethnonationalism broadly aligned.

*It's mostly an American thing, but it's not exclusively an American thing by any means

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

The easy answer is that racism destroyed Tulsa, not capitalism. Were it not for racist fucks, that experiment would have worked wonderfully. But that's a tale as old as time, unfortunately.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

If racism just sprang from the ground or from defects in people's souls, that would make sense. Racism is a superstructural tool of capitalism. It's a little more obvious how the two are in union when you look at things like the Transatlantic slave trade, but keeping black people as an underclass serves in capital's interest to this day.

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[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 10 points 2 months ago

Capitalism has always had a form of race, but it's a social hierarchy.

Class.

It has always been class. The lie that gets sold to middle America is that one day, they too will be of a higher class.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Capitalism can't help anyone out of poverty at least not without exploiting masses.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

You know that's really a brilliant rebuttal.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I had to read the second post twice to understand what it’s saying due to the non-standard grammar. But I’m a foreign speaker.

I’m asking an honest question out of curiosity: Was this easily legible to you?

[–] pendingdeletion@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m a native English speaker and had no issue… but I come across (or hear) contractions like “ain’t” often enough that it barely registers as being non-standard… just much less formal, really. Some punctuation might’ve helped you here.

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[–] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Yes, it was very clear (native speaker here). Something like this is more commonly spoken than written, so I can see why it might be confusing. If your experiencing with English is more formal (via education, reading, etc) vs talking to a whole bunch of different people, that would explain it.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Was this easily legible to you?

Yes, very easily.

English doesn't have one standard grammar, but yeah this was pretty easy to understand for me.

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[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Or maybe race doesn't really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Not to imply that ethnic/cultural tensions never existed before in history, but capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression, and of pitting working class people against each other.

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[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree, white capitalism is so last year, get with the latest fashion and use black capitalism.

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it helped bolster rationale for enslaving black people. It's fair to say that capitalism tips the scales, steals your car, and then runs over your neighbor before disappearing with your spouse and your dog/cat.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

It didn't just bolster the rationale for enslaving black people, it largely executed the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Those boats weren't publicaly owned, and neither were the captured slaves, the slavers were entrepreneurs and their employees doing business.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Thank fuck.

White people get pegged for rich people bullshit too much.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

True? Yes.

Funny? Not really.

/c/depressing would be a better fit

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