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[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 5 days ago (18 children)

The average American doesn't know what capitalism, socialism, communism, or fascism means. They don't know what representative democracy means. They don't know what first past the post means. They don't even know that they have an electoral college let alone its role. The 3 branches of government are largely a mystery. And most Americans are under some kind of impression that the POTUS is some kind of benevolent dictator.

I'm not surprised that someone on twitter thinks capitalism solves poverty.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's fair, but that's all the more reason why it is the duty of Leftists to read and spread Marxist theory!

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"THAT'S COMMIENISM!!! POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!" - average reaction to anything from the left

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Different people have different levels of class awareness. Identifying the ones ripest for radicalization helps dramatically.

And, to be fair, I am advocating for Communism.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 76 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] M1nds3nd@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Rest in power. Fuck the Chicago PD.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 days ago

It's so, so sad that none of them, or the FBI, has had to pay for their crimes. Not to mention all the other murders the US has committed around the globe. The people who planned and carried out these murders haven't paid for them in the slightest.

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Excuse me, may I deposses you of this image? It would be a fine addition to my collection.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 days ago

Of course, memes are communal.

[–] Digital_man@lemmy.one 80 points 6 days ago (31 children)

White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.

Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 82 points 6 days ago (1 children)

White capitalism

This is just called capitalism.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now...

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

Also Black Wall Street got hate crimed off the face of the earth, so I'd say "white capitalism" is fair enough.

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[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I think it's fucking bullshit they murdered Fred Hampton and got away with it.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

And then people wonder where the modern-day civil rights leaders are. The U.S. government will murder anyone who gains the ability to upset the status quo. The best we're going to get is social media personalities like Dr. Umar and comedians like Charlamagne Tha God.

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[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Your first (and only) premise is highly vulnerable. Socialism and cancer are two different things.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 12 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I had to read the second post twice to understand what it’s saying due to the non-standard grammar. But I’m a foreign speaker.

I’m asking an honest question out of curiosity: Was this easily legible to you?

[–] pendingdeletion@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m a native English speaker and had no issue… but I come across (or hear) contractions like “ain’t” often enough that it barely registers as being non-standard… just much less formal, really. Some punctuation might’ve helped you here.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

At least like one comma could have done a lot...

[–] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago

Yes, it was very clear (native speaker here). Something like this is more commonly spoken than written, so I can see why it might be confusing. If your experiencing with English is more formal (via education, reading, etc) vs talking to a whole bunch of different people, that would explain it.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Was this easily legible to you?

Yes, very easily.

English doesn't have one standard grammar, but yeah this was pretty easy to understand for me.

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think the linguists call it African American Vernacular English. It's completely reasonable for you to not understand it from the outside looking in.

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[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"Ain't" can be kind of difficult. It can mean "are not," "am not," "is not," "has not," or "have not." Aside from that, the statements should be separated with a period, and "it's" was used instead of "is it." Also, they use "the fuck" instead of "what the fuck."

"Ain't" is pretty common in casual speech now, and the rest is relatively common in internet speech, so it was pretty easy to read for me.

"Capitalism hasn't solved white people's poverty. What the fuck is it going to do for us?"

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Capitalism has race now? Or are they suggesting to use race as a product?

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 31 points 6 days ago (10 children)

"Black capitalism" is historically the approach of some African American* communities and individuals to resist racial oppression by embracing capitalism and out-competing whites in it, essentially. This met its most famous manifestation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which developed a wealthy black capitalist class, but neighboring white towns got mad at this and basically leveled a good portion of the town and killed many people. For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

The most famous "black capitalism" proponent is the Jamaican-born American Marcus Garvey, who some Rastafarians worship as a prophet. To poison the well immediately, he was supported by the KKK in his projects to send African Americans "back to" Africa, because their ideologies and aims of ethnonationalism broadly aligned.

*It's mostly an American thing, but it's not exclusively an American thing by any means

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Capitalism can't help anyone out of poverty at least not without exploiting masses.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

You know that's really a brilliant rebuttal.

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