I wonder if they understand what they’re encouraging by making the punishment for protests harsher than the punishments for direct action…not that that’s any of my business…
this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2024
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Future excuses to crack down on “ecoterrorrists”?
arson time :)))) (in minecraft)
Huh, up to 10 years for disruptive protest? Looks like it's only 8 years for a planned arson as long as you don't hurt anyone.
In minecraft, that might send the wrong message.
Eh, I'm sure that my FBI guy and my Met guy have coffee together anyway.
Pfft, you've only got two guys? Amateur.
So, if you plan an arson as a protest, is that 8 years or 18 years?
woah woah woah! I don't see a protest around here!
As long as you don’t slowly walk or away from the burning building, you should be fine. IANAL
It's not a protest, I just felt like burning down some Big Oil headquarters! Those are two totally different things, I promise!
This is just one of countless examples that we live in capitalist plutocracies — ruled by corporations and the richest family dynasties who make up their majority shareholders — masquerading as "democracies". Sure, you can vote, but your only options are pre-approved.
When the people causing genocide, war, and ecocide are untouchable, their entire rule of law is invalid.
FPTP-voting was designed by wealthy romans for the benefit of wealthy romans millenia ago and that people accept this type of democracy today is just bonkers to me.
Humanity is in mortal danger because of conservatism. If you aren't fighting conservatism, you aren't fighting climate change.
To be fair, liberalism, while far better isn't remotely close to being an adequate solution, but we all need to kick the can down the road by picking whatever least bad option is available to us.
Well, that's the funny bit: the government in the UK aren't the Conservatives, they're New Labour who are Neoliberals, by the standards of the rest of Europe they're even Hard Neoliberals.
Nowadays the difference between Conservatives and Liberals is really just the subset of Morality that's used in Identity Politics. They're certainly not different on Economics, not on Quality Of Life for the many, not on a good Future for our Children (which provides a Selfishness-driven reason be an Environmentalist, which is better than nothing) and certainly not on Environmentalism as a Moral posture.
We get some loud confrontational bullshit from both around various "-isms" all the while they're both doing what's best for the most wealthy of society and screw the rest (both present and future) and definitely screw anybody or anything that has no money and no capability for action, such as Nature.
You see that exact same shit in the US, by they way, as well as (in not quite as extreme form) in most of Europe.
Neolibs sell us out to big oil just as much as neocons do. The root problem is capitalism. You cannot fight against climate change without fighting against capitalism
Neoliberals are conservatives. Sadly, we do not have a progressive party in the U.S., so we must choose one of the conservative parties.
If you aren't fighting conservatism you are actively destroying the planet.
If you KILL these Big Oil people you'll get the SAME Amount of Prison time!
(If the FBI sees this I’m joking)
Totally approrpiate, since they're terrorists endangering the well-being of everyone and the planet. Wait...
I thought that was final Fantasy vii...
Meanwhile the UK still keeps on sending weapon shipments to an actively Genocidal Israel (they recently stopped but 20 out of 300 kinds of such exports).
It didn't took long to disprove the hopes of anybody who thought New Labour would be anything but a slightly less hard Right than the Tories.
There could be a feel good story about a kitten being saved from a well and you’d somehow tie it in to gaza.
Nice, an Appeal To Absurd Falacy in the wild.
Hadn't see one of those in a day or two.
It says a lot that you went for making fantastical claims about the messenger rather than for disproving the message.
The message is an important one to attend to. But not every post on Lemmy requires a reminder that gaza is a genocide or that people are enabling it.
Having lived in the UK and even participated in a politics there (as a member of the Greenparty, FYI) it seems to me that both the English's power elites' support of an ethno-Fascist regime abroad even while it activelly commits Genocide (reminiscent of Thatcher's support of Apartheid South Africa and of Pinochet in Chile) and their authoritarian solutions to Environmentalism as a "problem" of people demonstrating rather than the Environment being destroyed, are all part of a broader pattern of Rightwing Authroritarianism were also fit things like the extreme Civil Society Surveillance denounced by Snowden (which, curiously, whilst in the US some was deemed unconstitutionally and walked back, in the UK laws were passed to make it all retroactively legal and the Press was shut up using D-Notices) and other general trends in the exercise of power in the country (remember how the Tories passed a law that de facto created minimum £1000 penalties in all criminal cases).
This is not even new - Environmentalist organisations were infiltrated by undercover police back in the 80s/90s who even left some women there carrying their children and things like kettling were used against demonstrators back in the big anti-Finance and anti-Austerity demonstrations in London after the 2008 Crash were even an unarmed and non-violent person got killed by a police officer (a case were the officer in question ultimatelly got out with no meaningful penalty).
Brexit wasn't born in a vacuum and compared with the rest of Europe the UK has been further Right and more Authoritarian, copying the worst bits of the American system rather than the best and mixing them with a heavily and well entrenched classism and the idea that people should know their place, with no tradition of rule by consensus and an electoral system - First Past The Post - that generally results in Winner Takes All outcomes were a mere 35% of votes is enough for absolute majorities which are pretty much all powerful since Britain foesn't have a written Constitution.
Having lived in a few countries in Europe, I came out of over a decade in the UK with the idea that it was the country in Europe most likely to turn Fascist. A posh style of Fascism but Fascism none the less.
Sadly New Labour, who ideologically are something else altogether than (old) Labour, seem just as prone to Authoritarianism as the Tories, which actually makes sense given that it was during New Labour's last period in Government that the most extreme civil society surveillance apparatus in the West was built in Britain.
TL;DR in summary, Britain even under New Labour is very rightwing and riddled with authoritarianism and their unwavering support (once again) for violent Fascism abroad fits the pattern and is a nice reminder of how its power elites think.
Bruh, I misread the title at first and thought Big Oil was sentenced but the reality is just sad and angering.
We can dream...
The police and army do not protect the lives and freedom of individuals and they never have. They exist to create the conditions for business to do business. The law barely cares if you rape and murder some poor, powerless individual. But cause a big business some serious property damage? Oh no we can’t have that. Time to make an example of you.
when society turns on the people with a conscience, the people with a conscience should turn on society. stop playing nice.
stop playing nice.
What's your next move, hot shot?
not being trolled by lemmy d list celebrities, and then, i don't know, maybe i'll smoke a joint.
Kinda relevant: from the latest Private Eye. Just a little insight to the background of the people pushing for this outcome.
The Heritage Foundation who would have guessed it would be in the mix.
I wonder what will happen to those prisoners once climate change gets even worse
Texas inmates are being ‘cooked to death’ in extreme heat, complaint alleges
With the threat of another hot summer ahead, advocates asked a federal judge to declare 100-degree-plus conditions in uncooled Texas facilities unconstitutional.
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The filing came from four nonprofit organizations who are joining a lawsuit originally filed last August by Bernie Tiede, an inmate who suffered a medical crisis after being housed in a Huntsville cell that reached temperatures exceeding 110 degrees. Tiede, a well-known offender whose 1996 murder of a wealthy widow inspired the film “Bernie,” was moved to an air-conditioned cell following a court order but he’s not guaranteed to stay there this year.
Concentration Camps.
Oh those damn Conservatives, such things would never happen under the rule of the Labour Party.
Right?
Hey good thing is people are not as numb to the class warfare nowadays as before so your coy attempt to make this partisan isn't as effective.
Ah, yes. Thank you for reiterating my point by using instead of sarcasm the always very funny false accusation method.
At least my iteration can't be mistaken unlike yours (Your sarcasm was too thin to notice for me)
I wish for the responsible judges, politicians and CEOs to get spat in the face by their own children for being the disgusting vile pieces of shit that they are. Sadly, too often, the apple does not fall far enough from the tree.
If you are getting life in prison, might as well blow up an oil rig or something right?
If they go the route of severe punishment for not severe crimes
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