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“It doesn’t join NATO, it doesn’t join some of these sort of allied institutions,” Mr. Vance said. “I think that’s ultimately what this looks like.”

Elbridge Colby, one of Trumps simps from the Pentagon had this to add:

“Senator Vance is being realistic and putting out forthrightly a realistic basis for ending the conflict,” he said, “while other people are engaged in a kind of irresponsible fantasy.”

Imagine being asked to give up a significant piece of your nations territory, while being refused any security guarantees in the future. This is after your children have been raped and stolen and your land destroyed. This is what peace looks like? Fuck off both of you. If you let nations like Russia to steal land and get away with it, they won’t stop. Of course, we know Trump and Vance are puppets of Putin so no real surprises here. After all, we know how much dictators love trump.

“figure out what a peaceful settlement looks like,”

Per the article, followed immediately by ceding the currently occupied parts of Ukraine to Russia and Ukraine promising never to join NATO or "related" organizations. Ukraine gets a "demilitarized" zone to do what, of course, THE INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDER was supposed to do.

Fucking hell. We wouldn't ask Iran for terms like that, but a maturing democracy that is allied with us... it's fine. After all, the west did shitty things like "offering a more appealing value proposition." Trump is not even good at being a hegemonic power.

Of course. Putin's shills always repeat after Putin.

Let’s couch that plan, JD. It’s no good

Whatever makes sense™ - Vancebot, a division of Peter Thiel's scrotum.

I think they already figured it out. Russia leaves Ukraine.

Not a big surprise the vice Putin fluffer is on the side of Russia not leaving Ukraine under a peace treaty and Ukraine promising not to protect itself. All after Russia violated treaties like the Budapest memorandum uncountable times attacking Ukraine. Meanwhile Putin fluffer Sr won't publicly state a position because he's obviously on Russia's side, they bankrolled his businesses when NYC banks told him to fuck off.

Gee, I wonder why? What an unexpected Coincidence!

/s

He probably listened to at least one of the streamers that were bankrolled by Russia, so this is unsurprising.

Purely strategically, the best bet is for NATO to fund and lend/lease materiel to Ukraine sufficient to make the Russian effort protracted and expensive. Maybe Ukraine can solidify some territorial gains in Russian oblasts enough to have bargaining chips. From there it is just a game of finding acceptable off-ramps. Maybe a treaty gets signed that trades territory back to something like the "original" borders circa the beginning to the current conflict.

Russia clearly doesn't care about personnel losses (and historically never has). But maybe if it drags on, the conflict will become economically and politically costly enough that Putin is looking for offramps.

Putin bought and paid shills say what?