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[–] Disgracefulone@discuss.online 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

That’s dark, man.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yep. They produce nothing.

Just wait until you learn about landlords.

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[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I hate our healthcare system and especially the parasites that run health insurance companies, but they do provide a product.

  1. They pool our money together so that the ones that need healthcare can afford it. Barely anyone can afford out-of-pocket cancer treatment or a stay in the ICU after a serious accident. It could be a serious pain in ass to get insurance to pay sometimes if they even do, but overall, they do pay. If they never paid, we'd have a revolution by now. The last time they started with not paying, people started demanding change, which almost lead to the public option.
  2. They offer a check on healthcare providers that want to over -treat and -prescribe to charge more money, or doctors that go rogue with whacky ideas. Since the general population doesn't know much about medicine, doctors would be able to prescribe all sorts of illegitimate treatments if we didn't have a body making sure that their recommendations were legit.

I agree that they do fucked up things, like withhold on pay outs, deny interventions that may save lives, charge way too much, and lobby to maintain or even improve their wealth and power, but they do still offer a product. I'm someone that is lucky enough to have access to 100% free government healthcare in the US. Even with that, I'm often jealous of people that have private insurance because I find many benefits to their healthcare over mine.

If we want to improve our healthcare, I think it would be best to acknowledge the reality of the situation rather than exaggerate it.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They offer a check on healthcare providers that want to over -treat and -prescribe to charge more money, or doctors that go rogue with whacky ideas. Since the general population doesn’t know much about medicine, doctors would be able to prescribe all sorts of illegitimate treatments if we didn’t have a body making sure that their recommendations were legit.

My dad can't get a medication that actually resolves one of his health problems because it's not on whatever list of medications his insurance company has for that issue. Even though his doctor prescribed it and it worked up until he got a new insurance. Now he has to use some other medication that barely helps. Insurance companies are bullshit. Doctors should be reviewing what other doctors are doing. Not some office peon who probably gets a bonus for rejecting claims.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, the system is jacked up. We need a better one like our lives depend on it.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

~~insurance~~ medical mafia

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much the same as bankers

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah no kidding. A company gets to profit off keeping us from getting treatment and it's just accepted and normal.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 2 months ago (7 children)

What is this thread? Since I got chronically ill my insurance has paid my salary for a year and is now paying into unemployment and pension for my wife, who's caring for me. And besides that they're still paying for all our medical expenses despite me not paying into them anymore.

Yeah, I had to fight for them to pay for a transport. But overall they definitely are offering a service I am greatly benefitting from.

[–] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if you are in the USA or Germany based on your URL but The general idea is that a private company should not have to hold the cards for our fate, and our health treatment. That's what you are clearly missing. If you get chronically ill in some of the better parts of Europe, you won't have any medical or financial consequences of that. Ambulance is don't cost much of anything directly, hospital stays don't cost you much. In the USA you cannot say the same. Going to the hospital for some major illness like cancer or emergency surgery could cost you anywhere from $15,000 to $200,000. Look up the cost of having a baby at a hospital especially when there are complications. It's unbelievable.

The idea is that you should pay into a system that works for everyone, namely the government and taxes, and they help you out in return once you have a hardship at a low or no cost because you have been paying into it. This is not how insurance works. In most cases, you pay stupid amounts of money into insurance, and once the new year rolls around, you have lost your entire deductible and you're out of pocket is completely reset. You have severe limitations on your FSA or health savings accounts so you can't save enough money. Literally not allowed for you to save and stockpile lots of money for covering healthcare. You have to pay into this stupid for-profit company that doesn't give a damn about you and will never lift a finger to help you. Sometimes people are lucky and benefit from the insurance. Those situations are extremely rare, and situations in which people are financially ruined by insurance and healthcare are far more common.

I'm glad that the system in place has worked for you currently. But that does not mean it works for everyone, and that's something you need to understand. Just because something works for you doesn't mean it's a great system.

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