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[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

I have long since given up on an ideal world where there are universally used standard units. Now I embrace unit chaos. I want my equations to contain fucked up units that are harder to decipher than just doing the calc again. It's how I artistically express myself.

[–] ma1w4re@lemm.ee 171 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even a broken clock is right twice day.

[–] Ravi@feddit.org 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Even a stuck digital clock is right once a day.

[–] Ravi@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When it's stuck, yes. When it's broken and the display is of welll...

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[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 82 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Pedantry:

K and °R agree on 0
K and °C agree on the unit difference
°F and °R agree on the unit difference
°R and °Ra are the exact same thing (??)

[–] neoman4426@fedia.io 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Celsius and Fahrenheit agree on -40, but since they're scales that scale at different rates there's bound to be some value where they intersect rather than some meaningful number like Kelvin and Rankine being zeroed to Absolute Zero

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 32 points 1 week ago

Same with 574.59°F = 574.59K

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also Rankine, being an absolute scale, theoretically shouldn't be in ° anything, and it's only some weird historical quirk that is the reason it usually is called degrees.

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[–] fishpen0@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Good thing °R and °RA aren’t pointing guns at each other

Neither are °F and °R nor °K and °C

This is almost artfully done

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

°R and °Ra are the exact same thing (??)

I think °R is supposed to be Réaumur

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Imagine if some distance measuring system decided their zero was at like 10 feet.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 47 points 1 week ago

Let me just shorten this down 8 feet

welds on an extra 2 feet

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If using log scale, 0 is at -∞

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rankine and Kelvin have zero at the same point, which is absolute zero, and should not be used with the degree symbol

This concludes my TED talk

[–] hakase@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

According to Wikipedia Rankine is properly used with the degree symbol, but sometimes is not by analogy with Kelvin.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Trev625@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I went down a huge rabbit hole cause of this. I personally like °F over °C but agree it's arbitrary. So I tried to make a scale that started at the coldest air temp on earth (some day in Antarctica) and went to the hottest day on earth (some day in death valley) and put the coldest day at 0°A and the hottest at 100°A.

Sadly this made a scale that was less precise than I'd like. I like that I can feel the difference between 73°F and 74°F and don't want to have to use decimals.

So maybe the end points could be only places where people actually live. Well it looks like some people live in Russia around -70°C and some people live in northern Africa around 50°C so if you just take °C and add 60 you can get a -10 to 110 scale where most temps would fall between 0 and 100. Still has the unit difference of °C (which I don't like) but I like that most temps are between 0 and 100. I also don't really like negative temperature since it seems wonky.

To "fix" the unit scale you could just multiply everything by 2 so the difference between each full degree is half as much. So temps would be between -20 and 220. °A = 2(°C + 60) °A = 2(°C) + 120

And it turns out I (basically) created the Fahrenheit scale but moved. °F= 1.8(°C) + 32

TL;DR: I'm stupid and this was fun but also a waste of time lol

[–] Gremour@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Celsius is tied to points of ice melting and water vaporising. Since water is very important for the life on our planet, it makes even more sense than arbitrary chosen meters or seconds.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

does you scale change as Earth warms?

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People live in -70c (-94f) weather? How the fuck do they do that?

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Once you're below -6C or so you just need more insulation. -6C to 10C in many ways can be harder to manage due to humidity, especially in wet conditions. My prolonged exposure experience is only down to -30C. I did not have enough insulation, but an extra base layer, better gloves/boots would have been sufficient. I was fine with fairly light clothing down to -18C. I hear -50C is where it starts to get really harsh again.

Your body also adjusts a lot. In the Summer in wearing a puffy indoors at 10C(50F) but in the winter I'll go out in a t-shirt at -10C, especially if doing manual labor.

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[–] m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Never heard about °R and °RA before this meme

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's the Rankine. Some Scottish dude wanted to use Kelvin without using Kelvin. It's basically the Fahrenheit scale but with 0˚R set at absolute zero.

0˚R = 0K and 1˚R = 0K + 1˚F

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

From what I can gather, R and Ra are the same thing?

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Comparing arbitrary degrees to absolutes. Notice K is the only one without the degree symbol...

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Would Rankine not be an absolute?

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[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Celsius tried to fit too much into 100 notches to please big math.

F is more nuanced with more notches, but the ends aren't logical. It coukd be shifted perhaps, but how?

If freezing was moved to 0, then water boiling would be 180

Perhaps C could have had a 200 degree range, then it would be closer to F and not so hard to convert.

But also: Scientists are important and we shouldn't make it too easy, it demeans their work. Maybe make the C scale show water boiling at 183.4521 degrees so scientific calculations are more impressive-looking and respectable.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 45 points 1 week ago (7 children)

and not so hard to convert

"Please change the entire world's system to make it easier for the one country that uses a different one"

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[–] Skymt@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The SI unit scales are chosen to fit together to avoid "respectable" scientific calculations.

To heat one milliliter (1 ml) of water one degree Celsius (1 °C) you need one calorie (1 cal) of energy.

Also the dimensions of one milliliter, is one cubic centimeter (1 cm^3), and that amount of water weighs 1 gram (1 g).

Thus 1 liter of water needs 1 kcal of energy to heat up 1 °C.

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (13 children)

When having a beer, I've always found it funny that one of the few imperial measurements metric nations kept around, the pint, America went and invented their own. Uncharacteristically a smaller version too.

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

Every time I hear, "pint" I think of Pippin saying, "they come in pints?!"

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[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is more like if you measured altitude by counting from sea level vs the center of the earth vs the top of Mount Everest or something

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

0 lbs/lg = Absense of weight.

0 inches/centimeters = Absence of size.

0 Kelvin = Absence of heat.

If something is 0lbs, 0 inches and 0 Kelvin: does it even exist? 🤔

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[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Skua@kbin.earth 14 points 1 week ago

Rankine isn't pointing a gun at Kelvin because of this, but Kelvin is pointing one at Rankine because Rankine is an abomination that should not be

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, Pi and the Fine Structure Constant watching the show, passing each other the popcorn.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The best part about the fine structure constant is that it is not related to any other thing. It just is.

It's a magic number that just emerges in physics.

And it is not constant.

Even though it is.

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