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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago (5 children)

While this meme is suburb, I assume you're aware that the legacy of bland British food is heavily influenced by WW2 and post-war rationing. It had an impact even here in the US, but a much stronger one in the UK where they were rationing well into the 50s if I remember right.

Culinary history is a fun branch.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Is that why the Midwest was addicted to canned vegetables, "casseroles", and why they're allergic to anything more flavorful than salt and pepper?

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Partly.

I'd say that impacted the entire US. The SNL skit Coneheads was all about this with "mass quantities".

Keep in mind the impact of the Depression on people too. Quality isn't a concern when you're not even getting enough to eat (my parents, but especially grandparents can/could speak to this). My father was always hungry until he was drafted.

Studs Terkel's Hard Times should be required reading today.

Twentieth century food production was a godsend to anyone born before the 1950's.

Plus the Midwest was heavily settled by Nordic folks and Eastern European, bringing their food traditions with them.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah my family is from the Midwest. On my mom's side we're 4th gen Norwegians who founded a town in Kansas (pretty sure it's Kansas). They arrived just before the depression and I'm pretty sure my family's legacy of bland cooking is partly a result from that and our Norwegian heritage. We still make kumla every year. Good stuff (minus the canned veggies. Seriously Midwest, it's ok to use fresh vegetables)

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm no expert on Midwestern cuisine, there could be other factors like some central European culinary traditions, maybe religious conservatism and a general distrust of new things more common to inland cultures.

So, a factor for sure, but it's probably complicated.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You're probably right, I just wanted to take a cheap shot at the Midwest haha

[–] Poots@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago
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[–] odium@programming.dev 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dang, ppl are putting suburbs everywhere these days. First they put them in cities, then rural areas, and now they're putting suburbs in memes too? How does that even work?

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[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is absolutely right.

Unfortunately England chose to carry on like we were rationed into the 1970s.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Stuff like that leaves a mark. It took the US beer industry 60 years to recover from prohibition and start making actually good beer again. We still have depression era dishes, like Anything Chili. We just were lucky to have peppers that grew natively.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I've always assumed that the bland British food jokes are because a few of the less exciting offerings are just so easy to make fun of, like beans on toast, not an actual paucity of culinary culture.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don’t jump the gun common British food not great before either, but it was eaten by peasants that had no access to spices besides salt. The taste of their food and the beauty of their women made the British the best sailors in the world.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

It's a funny joke but that last line taken seriously indicates that for all their pillaging they did a surprisingly small amount of raping. After all, that's why women in Scandinavia are mostly attractive, the Vikings enjoyed both in equal amounts.

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[–] zante@lemmy.wtf 45 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Food guide;

  • British food is tasteless
  • French food is pretentious
  • italian food takes all afternoon
  • American food is poisonous
  • Indian food is special because it uses something called “spice” and no one else does apparently
  • asians eat rice
  • anyone east of Berlin eats either turnips or caviar

What did I miss ?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

American food is poisonous

American food is grease and sugar. Pure grease and sugar. Sometimes combined. God, I want a funnel cake right now.

Dammit, I just realized I haven't had a funnel cake in literal years. How sad.

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

3 things that will make anything better, fat, sugar, and salt. If your dish isn't doing it for you, just keep adding at least one of those three, based on the dish, and eventually it will be delicious.

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Acid is another magic ingredient. Lemon juice, vinegar, or even just straight citric acid from a shaker if you don't want to add more liquid. Sometimes something will taste like it needs more salt, but adding a touch of acid is actually what it needed.

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Indian food is special because it uses something called “spice” and no one else does apparently

Was in Hyderabad for work a few times about 10-15 years ago and in fairness, India is the absolute GOAT of spicing food. Like every dish is flavourful but not necessarily spicy. Office canteen food costing about 40c served on a prison tray - Incredible. Hell even the airport food was delicious.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

If you want more vegetarian dishes that aren't just soy pretending to be a meat dish (and usually disappointing), try out some Indian dishes. A decent portion of their population is vegetarian for religious reasons and they've made the best of it. I went to a vegetarian Indian wedding once and didn't miss having meat at all.

I make dol as part of my normal rotation and even my daughter loves it when I was expecting her to be disappointed with what was mainly lentils and spinach served with flatbread. But the little bit that isn't lentils and spinach is just as important.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's not just India, many Southeast Asian countries have spices in their dishes.

[–] odium@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

As an Indian I approve of this message

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Apparently the British did use spices until world war 2. Then it was decided that shipping is limited and spices were a luxury when the island needed an unending supply of food and guns.

Then instead of starting right back up in 1946, food remained an issue for the British through the 1950's. So the lack of spices became more accepted. It's the same reason America still has depression era dishes like chili.

Britain is actually starting to use spices again, just like the American beer scene is finally recovering from prohibition.

[–] cash@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (8 children)

If chili is a depression food then bring on more depression food I say.

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[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago

Ha ha "starting" to use spices again lol

Nice info from 60 years ago

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

This is the best use of this meme I have ever seen. It hit me in all the right spots xD

[–] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It's a shame so many people don't get to experience flavourful British food, or go with stereotypes, since there's a bunch of really nice stuff.

I even have a book from the 1700s detailing the use of various herbs.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I even have a book from the 1700s detailing the use of various herbs.

do you ever lend it out to the other brits to read? ;)

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Give other Brits such an old book? What if they put it in their personal collection?

[–] Theme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago

"Cheers pal, straight to the British Museum. Come, you can read the plaque about how the recipes used to be yours."

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago

Nah, although that’s older than the US it’s not an old book by our standards. That one’s probably just a first edition of one of Mary Berry’s books.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

It belongs in a museum!

[–] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like you've never had a lincolnshire sausage, or a nicely made shepherd's pie. Pies and pasties are often seasoned too.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What good is money if it cannot bring you flavor?

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The freedom to choose flavor, or to not choose it, has intrinsic value.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tomatoes were from America brought to Europe during the 16th century and add umami flavor to baked beans, not sure if that counts

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Everyone is always mocking Britain's cuisine, but some of their food is good, like Shepard's Pie.

You know who doesn't get enough hate? The Belgians.

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Dutch (Netherlands) and the Belgians are not the same...

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Belgians gave us good fries and fat waffles though, for that, as a grease-besotted American I can't bring myself to hate them.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They specifically invented tikka masala for that

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Indentured servants from India and Bangladesh, living in GB, invented it to appease their captors. If one can find a traditional British Indian restaurant they'll find the Tikka masala bland as fuck: It's all cream and salt. They'll barely even use ghee or chili.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

and for what!?

Ultimately? For humble pie.

The British were so hangry, so incredibly hung-over, so fed-up with the limited cuisine at home, that they colonized half the planet in search of a proper meal like their very lives depended on it. And for a time, the spice did indeed flow. But that quest cost countless lives, started many wars, and ultimately, ended in defeat. In the end, some people from those far off lands, now liberated, emigrated to their conqueror's homeland of their own free will and brought their pantries with them. In so doing, perhaps with a spicy side of defiance, meals are served in London daily that provide a reminder of how the surrounding kingdom is a mere shadow of it's former self.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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