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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 248 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Look, NATO is bad, that's why it's absolutely necessary for anti-imperialism purposes that Russia invades its neighbors before they can get into NATO!

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which works about as good as rhe war on terror

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 87 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Bro just one more invasion bro I swear this time it'll really solve ~~terrorism~~ Western Imperialism(tm) for good!"

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 162 points 2 months ago (36 children)

I'd be glad if NATO didn't exist.

It would mean countries wouldn't feel threatened by their neighbors, and no invasions would happen.

But until that is the case, NATO is necessary.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (12 children)

I would much prefer every country in the planet being in NATO.

Any country attacks any other country? Literally the whole world goes to defend it. So no invasions are possible.

It wouldn't work though. Wouldn't take much time for alliances to form that agree to not follow NATO'S rules.

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[–] mods_mum@lemmy.today 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd like your comment more if it said: "I’d be glad if NATO didn’t have to exist"

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 137 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Sure I'm a NATO apologist: I'm sorry NATO is necessary because Russia is such an antagonistic fuckwad.

[–] dubya43@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Russia had a choice: play by the west's rules, or play second fiddle to China. They chose the latter unfortunately for them and for us.

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[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 118 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Gentle reminder that blocking the entire Lemmy.ml instance has made this place a lot less … tankie

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 71 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ah yes, that paragon of leftist virtue...

...*checks notes*...

Muammar Gaddafi?

And they wonder why they don't get taken seriously.

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[–] AngryishHumanoid@reddthat.com 63 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I got banned on a lemmy.ml sub for pointing out a post was misleading, that's it.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 33 points 2 months ago (16 children)

People here complain about reddit mods being power tripping, but my experience on Lemmy has been equal if not worse. Ml and hexbear being obvious examples, but I've even gotten 7 or 30 days bans, with no warning, for stupid shit that I've seen plenty of other people do, in a news sub and aboringdystopia, obviously because the mod disagreed with my opinion, they were just using some minor violation of the rules to justify banning me.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (20 children)

lol before I realized what ml meant I made a comment that I thought that communism had never happened yet on earth but that it could one day. You wouldn’t believe the rage and attack from dozens of people who were inconsolable.

They also got mad when I said that there are only a few actual leftists in government in the US. Turns out that everyone is one, dontchano

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Your first sentence is not wrong; as I understand Marx’s writing. Essentially it is not possible to go from agrarianism straight to communism without first building an industrial society. That’s how Russia / USSR, China etc don’t “technically” count.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

I’m referring more to the fact that Marx envisioned the populace rising up. What really rose in places like Russia and China was a group of self appointed elites who were really just reactionaries.

Tankies get mad because they believe that their utopia already exists and everyone else is an idiot for not ascribing to the same.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Your first sentence is not wrong; as I understand Marx’s writing. Essentially it is not possible to go from agrarianism straight to communism without first building an industrial society. That’s how Russia / USSR, China etc don’t “technically” count.

Don't worry, Lenin et co said you could do it if you believed extra super hard and gave all the power to a small clique of intellectuals. Lenin, like Jesus and the Gospels, takes precedence over prior teachings.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

"Read theory and you would know what I'm talking about."

That is a common thought terminating response to any critique of communism. That being said, I learned to flip the table. Tankies talk about theory, so mention empirical and practical results. They tend to either shut down or ban you.

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[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 53 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Those... aren't even mutually exclusive opinions? NATO can exist for more than one reason.

[–] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is only one good opinion at any time, citizen. The correct opinion (my opinion) can change any time, but any different opinion is doubleplusungood.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 49 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What happened in Libya according to them?

[–] bigboismith@lemmy.world 122 points 2 months ago (38 children)

Poor Gaddafi was attacked by the corrupt NATO, to the disgust of the rest of the world (except that it was resolution by the UN security council).

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 70 points 2 months ago (2 children)

except that it was resolution by the UN security council

You mean the Security Council over which Russia has veto power? That UN Security Council?

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

One air campaign in Libya (permitted by UNSCR 1973) > fourteen Russian invasions

Checkmate, Westoids

I’m just waiting till the deferation from lemmy.ml

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm shocked it wasn't a permaban, honestly.

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[–] Skates@feddit.nl 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you ever need to have a dialogue on any subject and want a reasonable partner, don't worry - you can just have that morning coffee and you'll eventually shit out better choices than the entirety of ml, hexbear, lemmygrad and a bunch of other cuntwaffles combined.

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 33 points 2 months ago (27 children)

Time to block an instance :p

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hard agree. The Fediverse would be much healthier if more instances defederated Hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml. They constantly spread propaganda for violent dictators.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I find Lemmy.ml users tolerable, mostly. At least, not significantly worse than other instances. It's the admins and mods that concern me. It's why I avoid .ml communities like the plague.

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[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They love to pick and choose who to enforce their rules against.

[–] dubya43@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

how dare you critize the regime comrade

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 23 points 2 months ago (14 children)
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