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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your first sentence is not wrong; as I understand Marx’s writing. Essentially it is not possible to go from agrarianism straight to communism without first building an industrial society. That’s how Russia / USSR, China etc don’t “technically” count.

Don't worry, Lenin et co said you could do it if you believed extra super hard and gave all the power to a small clique of intellectuals. Lenin, like Jesus and the Gospels, takes precedence over prior teachings.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s a good analogy. The mental gymnastics needed to be Marxist-Leninist is akin to believing both the old and new testaments are - essentially - about the same guy. I’m particularly thinking about New Economic Policy existing in a communist state. Wild.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

[Overthrows the SRs for daring to say capitalism must come first to industrialize Russia]

[Implements capitalism to industrialize Russia]

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 months ago

It's like how the Saudi activists who called for women to be allowed to drive remained in prison after it was legalised; it's not about the policy itself, it's about defying the ruler.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For a minute I thought SRs was a speech-to-text mistake for “Tsars” and was super confused - but then it all made sense. Been a long time since I’ve talked about this stuff.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's not a STT mistake of the word Tsar? What is it?

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Socialist Revolutionary Party. Two capital letters and one lower case is how it’s written. Go figure. They were in the mix of Russian politics in that era.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Gotcha, thanks!