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Volvo gives up plan to sell only EVs by 2030 (www.bbc.com)

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[–] mayo@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not as dismal as the headline suggests. They're targeting 90% by 2030.

[+] sirico@feddit.uk -6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Like they said 100% by 2030

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 8 points 2 months ago

At this rate the 90% seems very achievable.

[+] mayo@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Hey man just a general comment about your comment. I don't come to lemmy to have reddit interactions or read reddit-like sarcasm and other obnoxious comments. I'm not here to take a side or be in a 'group'. I want to learn and have closer to real-life discussions about the climate and other topics that interest me. I don't mean to be condescending and I realize that's probably hard to do when I'm telling you how to act, but I desperately want to make lemmy not-reddit so I'm calling it out. /r/collapse and /r/climate are rife with this bad attitude. It's not healthy, it's not productive, it's not fun. I'm just as critical as places like /r/optimistsUnite.

It's 2024. Volvo started making electric cars in 2020. They'll be about 50% by 2025, so the 2030 goal is reasonable.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We both wrote one-liners, look up my post and comment history to see how I feel about Reddit recently :D.

I'm all up for discussion. My point is however a fact they committed to the 2030 EV deadline and are now reversing their stance on it. So why would we trust them shifting the goalpost 10%. It's on them to prove it I'm not taking a broken word of a corp.

An actual positive is that “Following the announcement on Wednesday, Volvo's shares fell by more than 4% and have declined by 12% over the past six months.” which shows the money didn't like it, and they made a mistake. “Its total electrified share, including EVs and plug-in hybrids, accounted for 48% in the second quarter of this year.” Again another positive but further adding to the fact they can't be trusted because they're obviously putting things ahead of this 2030 goal.

The main issue here is that no one really wants to put in for charging inferstructure.

""Jim Rowan, Volvo’s chief executive, on Wednesday blamed changing market conditions and consumer worries over the lack of charging infrastructure for its revised target.

“We will be ready to go fully electric this decade, but if the market, infrastructure and customer acceptance are not quite there, we can allow that to take a few more years,” Rowan said as he showcased Volvo’s new electric and plug-in hybrid flagship sport utility vehicles.""

[–] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I don't understand the fixation on "trust" here. They set a soft target of 2030 based on their predictions at the time, now they are revising slightly but have reiterated the main points which is they are fully committed to electrification. This is a small revision, not some clear fraud like FSD. They used words like "plan", "intend", and "ambition", not "promise" in their original press release. I don't see the case that Volvo can't be "trusted", since they never even promised anything. Maybe I'm being pedantic, but holding Volvos feet to the fire on this doesn't seem fair. If they said they were cancelling EVs entirely and plan to be an ICE only company, sure.

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/277409/volvo-cars-to-be-fully-electric-by-2030

[–] Damage 3 points 2 months ago

Agreed. The OP added relevant information, the reply was completely pointless.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wow, maybe make your own LAN instance and post and comment by yourself. Who do you think you are to tell us how we should and shouldn’t be?

Maybe his sarcasm came from the absolutely fucked up and hopeless world we live in, thought about that mr. Only positive vibes please?

[–] mayo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It needs to said I'm not expecting it to be popular.

[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Amount of batteries needed is not solved problem.

EU has around 250 million cars, with 10-15 million sold every year. Even best future mines have lithium for around 1 million cars per year and those batteries last about ten years.

Sodium Ion might give us a chance if we invest in technology.

[–] MrMakabar 6 points 2 months ago

Bullshit. Last year 14milllion EVs were sold globally.