The illegal dissollution of the USSR was one of Humanity's greatest tragedies, and anyone who thinks the Russian Federation is an improvement needs to do some serious introspection.
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What was so illegal? Possibly the millions of USSR citizens taking the first flight or ride out of the Soviet bloc when it became available. Very illegal for the proletariat I'm sure.
The majority of Soviet citizens wished to retain Socialism, a fact that continued after the dissolution. The people fleeing newly established Capitalism was due to dissolved safety nets. 7 million people died due to "Shock Therapy."
the coup where Yeltsin ordered the military to fire upon parliament with tanks and instituted a rule-by-decree system to dissolve the government
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
seems pretty illegal to me
From one of the comments
Countries listed by the first launches of artificial Earth satellites:
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USSR - 1957
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USA - 1958
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UK - 1962
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Canada - 1962
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Italy - 1964
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France - 1965
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Australia - 1967
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Europe - 1968
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Germany - 1969
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Japan - 1970
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China - 1970
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Poland - 1973
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Netherlands - 1974
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Spain - 1974
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India - 1975
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Countries listed by the first launches of space satellites with their own launch vehicles:
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USSR - October 4, 1957
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USA - February 1, 1958
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France - November 26, 1965
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Italy - April 26, 1967
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Japan - February 11, 1970
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China - April 24, 1970
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UK - October 28, 1971
- European Union - December 24, 1979
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India - 18 July 1980
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Israel - September 19, 1988
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Russia - January 21, 1992
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Ukraine - August 31, 1995
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Iran - February 2, 2009
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DPRK - December 12, 2012
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Republic of Korea - 30 January 2013
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New Zealand - January 21, 2018
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Countries listed by the first flights of astronauts:
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USSR - April 12, 1961
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USA - May 5, 1961
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Czechoslovakia - March 2, 1978
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Poland - June 27, 1978
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GDR - 26 August 1978
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Bulgaria - April 10, 1979
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Hungary - May 26, 1980
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Vietnam - July 23, 1980
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Cuba - September 18, 1980
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Mongolia - March 22, 1981
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Romania - May 14, 1981
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France - June 24, 1982
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FRG - November 28, 1983
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India - April 3, 1984
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Canada - October 5, 1984
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Countries listed by the number of first-of-its-kind spacecraft (remarkable, of historical significance, with achievements that were made for the first time by one of the countries) until 1992:
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USSR - 21
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USA - 15
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EU - 1
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Countries listed by the number of spacecraft launched to explore the solar system, as well as first-of-its-kind or noteworthy vehicles launched into low Earth orbit before 1992:
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USSR - 115
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USA - 84
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EU - 4
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Japan - 4
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Germany - 2
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UK - 1
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Countries listed by the number of successful orbital launches (not including emergency and partially emergency) until 1992:
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USSR - 2278
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USA - 903
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Japan - 42
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France - 39
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China - 27
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EU - 13
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Kenya* - 9
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India - 3
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Australia - 2
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Israel - 2
- Italian naval spaceport "San Marco" located off the coast of Kenya and used to launch American missiles "Scout".
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Countries listed by the lowest proportion of emergency orbital launches for countries with more than 10 launches before 1992:
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USSR - 5.54%
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EU - 7.14%
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USA - 11.25%
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Japan - 12.24%
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France - 14.89%
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China - 17.65%
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Countries listed by the lowest proportion of accidental and partially accidental orbital launches for countries with more than 10 launches before 1992:
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USSR - 7.13%
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EU - 7.14%
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Japan - 14.29%
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USA - 14.65%
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France - 17.02%
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China - 20.59%
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The number of dead astronauts:
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when performing space flight: in the USSR - 4, in the USA - 14;
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in preparation for space flight: the USSR - 1, the USA - 5.
Is this some contemporary soviet propaganda? I mean all the people who died for political reasons or because the state economy was mismanaged probably don't care much about these achievements.
(To borrow from Cowbee's comment a bit) Wealth inequality was far lower in the Soviet Union's socialist system than the Tsarist system before it, the capitalist system after it was overthrown (obviously), and than western capitalist countries in the same time period.
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Human Rights In The Soviet Union, Including Comparisons With The U.S.A. by Albert Szymanski
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Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti
No wonder then that 90% of the Soviet population voted to stay in the Union, but of course that didn't stop its overthrow because capitalists had already taken it over by then.
A poll in 2009
As time passes though, the capitalist propaganda that kids in these places grow up with will probably start to outweigh the lived experiences of worsened living conditions after capitalists overthrew the USSR that their parents had. It's sad.
No matter how much time passes, I doubt the Capitalists can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR.
can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR
Why not? Talk to the teenagers in Russia. I doubt many would be even aware. Nor that they'd care, claiming "well it was worse under sovok"
not to refute your point, but without n values per country this poll is meaningless:
The closest thing I've seen to an n value is 14760, which seems good, but no idea what the distribution of votes is, most of those might come from Bulgaria as far as we know
Funny you focus on whatever this is and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.
I'm here because my family escaped that shit.
Funny you focus on whatever this is
Is it a bad thing to highlight that wealth disparity dramatically shrank in the USSR and dramatically increased in the Russian Federation?
and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.
Are you referring to Nazi sympathizers, the Tsarist White Army, or Capitalist insurgents?
Wealth disparity is a hilarious metric to use when everyone was poor.
Incorrect. On top of having free healthcare, education, and lower retirement ages than the US, GDP rose rapidly.
GDP has something to do with personal wealth?!... hmmm
GDP Per Capita.
Wealth disparity lowered, GDP Per Capita raised. Where do you think this went?
Mine too, it's hard to call the dissolution of USSR illegal when it was initiated by people escaping Soviet bloc countries in droves.
I’m sure homeless people and victims of the opioid crisis in the US also don’t care about US achievements in for example the olympics but people still talk about them.