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[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Is this some contemporary soviet propaganda? I mean all the people who died for political reasons or because the state economy was mismanaged probably don't care much about these achievements.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

(To borrow from Cowbee's comment a bit) Wealth inequality was far lower in the Soviet Union's socialist system than the Tsarist system before it, the capitalist system after it was overthrown (obviously), and than western capitalist countries in the same time period.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-and-property-russia-1905-2016

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[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

No wonder then that 90% of the Soviet population voted to stay in the Union, but of course that didn't stop its overthrow because capitalists had already taken it over by then.

A poll in 2009

As time passes though, the capitalist propaganda that kids in these places grow up with will probably start to outweigh the lived experiences of worsened living conditions after capitalists overthrew the USSR that their parents had. It's sad.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No matter how much time passes, I doubt the Capitalists can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR.

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR

Why not? Talk to the teenagers in Russia. I doubt many would be even aware. Nor that they'd care, claiming "well it was worse under sovok"

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

not to refute your point, but without n values per country this poll is meaningless:

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/

The closest thing I've seen to an n value is 14760, which seems good, but no idea what the distribution of votes is, most of those might come from Bulgaria as far as we know

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Funny you focus on whatever this is and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

I'm here because my family escaped that shit.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Funny you focus on whatever this is

Is it a bad thing to highlight that wealth disparity dramatically shrank in the USSR and dramatically increased in the Russian Federation?

and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

Are you referring to Nazi sympathizers, the Tsarist White Army, or Capitalist insurgents?

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wealth disparity is a hilarious metric to use when everyone was poor.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Incorrect. On top of having free healthcare, education, and lower retirement ages than the US, GDP rose rapidly.

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

GDP has something to do with personal wealth?!... hmmm

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

GDP Per Capita.

Wealth disparity lowered, GDP Per Capita raised. Where do you think this went?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Won’t somebody please think of the Nazis and gusanos!

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org -3 points 2 weeks ago

Mine too, it's hard to call the dissolution of USSR illegal when it was initiated by people escaping Soviet bloc countries in droves.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m sure homeless people and victims of the opioid crisis in the US also don’t care about US achievements in for example the olympics but people still talk about them.