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[–] ignirtoq@fedia.io 162 points 2 months ago (26 children)

A lot of the far right are millennials and Gen Z. While the proportions in different generations are different, this isn't purely a generational thing. The implied message is that we can "wait them out," but that is basically just the same as doing nothing. We can't do nothing. We have to motivate people to vote, and then get them to volunteer and have them get others to vote.

If that's what the map would look like if younger generations voted like 65+, then go get those people voting so we get that map next election.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's such a great point.

I've been hearing this bullshit "Wait them out" message for 30+ years. There is no waiting out bad ideas and propaganda. You have to fight it with truth and activism.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

There's also no waiting out groups who have no intention of maintaining even a semblance of a democratic Republic with participation, balanced arms of government, and blind justice.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 82 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I heard this about Gen X and Millennials. Don't rely on this at all. Educate young people and help them get to the polls. We may not get another chance at this.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it's still true for us. They predicted we would turn more conservative as we aged, which hasn't really happened.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hope you're right. I'm so tired of seeing evil win time and time again.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They are. I don't remember the source but I probably read the same article. Millennials are the first generation that didn't get more conservative as they aged. Might have to do with the fact that they're also the first generation that didn't get richer as they aged. Same is true for Gen Z tenfold.

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[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think Gen Z stands a real chance. We're the first generation where the majority of us have had the Internet from birth, or at least long enough to not remember a time without it. We're super connected all around the globe, and with more diversity in groups comes less bigotry.

Younger people are way less bigoted now then they were in my childhood (early Gen Z, barely not a millennial thank God). When I was in elementary and middle, everything not cool was called gay. Everyone called everything they didn't like gay. It was completely synonymous with bad. A couple parents in my town recently got riled up cause a kid got a days suspension for using gay as a derogatory term against a gay kid. Most young people around here will tell you that he should've gotten more. In my day the other kid would've been suspended before the asshole.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Democratic voters are unreliable. They could probably get everything they wanted if once a year they took an hour or two out of their day to go vote. Instead they’ve let Republicans take over in a large number of counties and we have to deal with all these fucking jackasses in Congress blocking anything from happening. Democrats and youth voters would rather bitch and whine about Republicans than actually just vote when it matters.

[–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago

democrats are useless af when they have a majority.

get a preferential voting system so ppl can actually vote for who they want without shooting themselves in the foot.

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[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Well then where the fuck are they?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A lot are disenfranchised by voter ID laws and weird residency requirements around college campuses. Others just don't realize the exceptional time we are in because their entire adult life has been marked by encroaching fascism and that seems normal.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 16 points 2 months ago

Or have their vote struck because of conflicting address history, more common among renters (who tend to vote more blue, “coincidentally”)

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or can't vote because of their working hours

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[–] openrain502r@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I still don't get how Boomers (and a bit of the Silent Generation) were super left wing in the 60s, but by the 80s or even the late 70s they became super right wing. Not sure if it's just a USA thing or not, either.

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Because they weren't. There was a vocal minority who was super left wing in the 60s, but the huge majority were as reactionary and conservative as they are today. Hippies weren't really representative of their generation, they are just the most iconic. Remember that Nixon not only got reelected, but reelected with a landslide.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And Reagan had like a 48 or 49 state landslide.

[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know how many people think this way, but I once heard a quote: "If in your youth, you don't vote left, you don't have a heart. If when you're older you don't vote right, you don't have a head."

I don't think that quote says anything good or true, but if there are a lot of people who think that way, well...

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That quote has been changed a bit, but in it's original form I think it was Churchill.

And the general idea is that as you age your idealism is tempered by practicality, as well as having adapted to the situation and built something of a life of your own, so you've gradually moved from the camp of "very little to lose/give up in exchange for all these benefits" and toward the camp of, "you know what, I'm doing okay, I've figured out a way to make it work, and I'd rather 'the system' just leave me alone at this point, since I'll be footing the bill for things that aren't even going to benefit me that much".

Obviously it's a lot more complicated than that, but that's the gist.

It's also worth remembering that "liberal" and "conservative" meant something different mid century than they do now. Especially with the MAGA influence.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The young ones will become smarter and vote more often. But they will also get older ... Hmmm

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Millennials tend to become more progressive as they age (probably has something to do with realizing how much inequality sucks and understanding the reason why it's happening)

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 months ago

"What radicalized me? 31 years of watching half my country embrace hate"

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also we get older but see our chances of retirement aren't going up.

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[–] Mrb2@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

As someone from a small European country, it still seems weird to me that you need to encourage people to please go vote. Because where I live basically everyone is required by law to show up at a voting station(but not required to vote, you don't have to cast a valid vote just show up). While it is off course not the perfect system, I think it is still better than hoping non extremists show up to vote. It probably also helps that we don't have a 2 but about 8 party system.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

There's a number of reasons for this like the electoral college and voter suppression.

The electoral college basically means that all of a states votes go to the winner of that state. If you're casting a minority vote in that state it's very easy for it to not affect the outcome in any way, unlike if the winner was determined by popular vote where every vote mattered. This is also why we see presidents elected even though they receive less votes, which further undermines the system.

Then there is rampant voter suppression, usually in Republican controlled areas. There is a strong correlation between more people voting and Democrats getting elected so Republicans try to make it as difficult as possible for people to vote, especially people who are likely to vote Democrat. So they pass voter ID laws, restrict mail-in voting, close polling places and shorten polling hours. In these areas people might have to spend hours traveling to a polling place only to stand in line for more hours before they can cast their vote.

Add in that voting takes place on a work day when it should probably be a national holiday, the two party system, and other stuff and it's easy for people to feel lukewarm about voting.

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 2 months ago

cries in deep red

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

Animals always fight harder when they're cornered.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Kids might just turn (comparatively) more conservative with age. I think that's what has been happening for a while

[–] Bophades@midwest.social 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think it's not quite the case that people get more conservative as they age. It's that policies and goals throughout society tend to get more progressive with time – as we learn more about our needs and those of others – while personal ideologies tend to crystallize with age. When one generation solves a problem, the next generation starts looking for new problems to tackle. The trouble is that we have to do that while dragging the previous generations, kicking and screaming, towards something more broadly beneficial to society because they think they've already got it all figured out. The evolution of our understanding of the world doesn't end with our generation, no matter how much effort we put in. 🤷

[–] Mobiledecay@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I was m9re conservative when I was younger because I was an edge lord. Lol.

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The gen alpha kids know why

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

Place is ohio for sure.

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