Provides a better product at half the cost.
/Capitalists lose their minds.
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Said it a while ago, the US is losing at capitalism for the first time in modern history and doesn't know how to cope
Oh it knows how to cope, it’s why it’s pushing the neo-feudalism.
They want a class of slave labor to use like China, not those pesky workers with rights like they have now. It’s a race to the bottom and China has the lead.
Idk, Chinese workers might have it better than they did in decades passed.
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Yes we do, we ban their sales here in USA! And add tariffs!
China builds the cars in Mexico, that forms a tariff free zone with the USA. And USA can't exactly just ban sales from Mexico because a lot of USA companies moved their operation to Mexico for cheaper labor.
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Chicken tax 2 no Changli for you
It's glorious to watch. Even from within. Even knowing I'm boned when this house of cards finally tumbles.
I'm sure there's a German word for that.
Maybe Galgenhumor? Or Schadenfreude? But if both, I guess.
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Is it a better product? How is the quality, the maintainability? How do they treat the environment and their workers? These are all factors I think about when considering a purchase.
Is it a better product? How is the quality, the maintainability?
I'm guessing it's like 80% as good for half the cost. That's usually how it goes with Chinese stuff.
How do they treat the environment and their workers?
Now that's just commie talk. /s
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Why won't the Americans let in the chinese manufacturers to find out? Surely if the cars are trash they have nothing to worry about?
That's the thing about economics. Humans are not rational actors. And even if they were, they don't have perfect information.
For example, there's a thing going around in the US right now about raw milk. It's not allowed to be sold because of the risk of disease. But people are idiots and seek it out anyway, and get themselves sick.
For cars, assume one of them is an absolute lemon and deathtrap. It constantly needs maintenance, and if you get in a crash, you die. You won't know about the former until a few years after you've bought it, and if the latter happens, you can't seek any recourse because you're dead.
Now, I'm not saying that this applies to the Chinese EVs, exactly, but we haven't seen them shaken out in the US yet, and China doesn't have a very good track record with consumer safety in the recent past.
To counter those vague negative "maybes" of yours, I just want to point out that the EU, which have much more tight regulations on just about everything than the US, especially when it comes to consumer protection, allows the sale of BDY cars.
If a regulatory regime which is more strict when it comes to consumer protection than the US allows such cars to be sold, then claiming or implying that the reason for the US to block their sale there is that they might be dangerous is quite the flight of fantasy.
I mean, it's not what OP was arguing, but the main reason they don't want the cars let in is just to stop China from becoming more powerful. It has little to do with the products themselves.
Surely if the products were shit, then there would be nothing to worry about with respect to China's power. No?
If they're shit today, they probably won't be tomorrow. They're just as capable of bootstrapping as the next person.
Back in the 90's Clinton was quoted as saying that with capitalism and development, democracy would inevitably follow in China; trying to stop it would be like nailing jello to a wall. Nobody thinks that way anymore.
I don't really understand your point... I wasn't making any comment about democracy in China. That's absurd.
To clarify, the reason China was allowed to gain that amount of economic influence in the first place was because it was thought they'd be part of the democratic West. Without that, nobody wants an authoritarian superpower.
What? Literally nobody thinks that. The entire Belt and Road Initiative is pretty much open expansionism
Belt and Road is waaay more recent than what I'm talking about, being declared in 2013. The Cold War ramped down in the 80's and ended around '90 or so, and then the triumphalist narrative that "history had ended" and democracy had irrevocably won was influential in the 90's and arguably 2000's.
Also, I'm not really sure "expansionism" is the right word for peacefully growing one's economy and soft power. Otherwise, the West is expansionist as hell, and that undersells actual territorial expansionism like in Taiwan or Ukraine.
In Canada, Teslas from Shanghai are by far preferable to the ones from Fremont. Something about those Chinese factories man
If you cant afford anything else than it is the best product.
It is much better. US car brands look like they are stuck in the 90s. Still, I don't get the preoccupation from the US, almost all cars in Mexico have been from Asia for at least a decade or maybe more. And before that it was all Volkswagen.
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I was going to say something about Chinese vehicles not entirely being the greatest quality, but then I remembered we're comparing it to American vehicles.
Better product, half the cost. Can't go wrong.
Awwwwww!
Are all the capitalists afraid of some friendly capitalist competition!?
I mean... China is capitalist too its just state capitalist.
When did I say they weren't lol
The west needs to take the hint and ditch the fossil fuels and legacy automaker excuses.
fossil fuels and legacy automaker
Fossil fuel companies and legacy automakers donate more
I think of fossil fuel companies and legacy automakers as part of the Deep State
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Even they aren't going to delay the inevitable forever, though.
China Conquers Mexico
...’s Automotive Market, and the US Is Worried
Give me a heart attack this morning, why don't you?
And we thought the timeline couldn't get any dumber.
Okay but like, we would know before it was just a done thing.
Lol capitalists are stuck with cars and malls and dozens of dying industries they gon have a bad 30 years as new infrastructure becomes a necessity
When can I buy one of these cheap Chinese EVs?
To get an idea of margins:
The BYD Seagull sells under the Dolphin Mini name in South America. The Seagull (see specs) is the BYD's cheapest electric car launched in April last year. Its price range initially lay between 78,800 – 95,800 yuan (10,850 – 13,200 USD)
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