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[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 77 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They haven’t enshittified our ability to type and say “shit” yet….

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 7 points 2 months ago

We're using one of the only platforms left where that's true. Why do you think the word "unalive" became a thing?

[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

plus they're on mastodon, they should know better

[–] olicvb@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Just yesterday, I wanted to play Poker Night 2, but because of a license issue, it's been removed everywhere.

At least the Internet Archive has it, but from this year's removed books, it seems losing anything else is a possibility too. : / A good example of how something as recent as 2012 can be lost

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Thank bingus for Anna's Archive

[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago

And thank you for making people who have not heard of Anna's Archive (including myself) aware

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

+1 for that, but it’s a shame they don’t have individual torrents. I understand why, but manually going to the site and searching for things is a pain. I’m used to just using qBitTorrent’s built in search, and automatically polling a dozen different torrent tracker sites.

Or these days, I just add the media to my Readarr server, and it handles everything (including getting it imported to Calibre automatically) for me.

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

only shadow archives are real archives. anything subservient to the law is compromised, and WILL be destroyed eventually, probably with no notice. do not rely on it for anything that will ever matter to you.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This story implies that there will be a time when the cloud becomes reliable for long-term storage of media into the future.

It never will be. Enshittification and capitalism makes it much shorter, but even given a well-run publicly accountable system of cloud storage, there will still come crises that result in the loss of our data artifacts over time. Political upheavals. Viruses and external attacks of all kinds. Bad policies voted for by the public.

Over long enough timeframes, everything currently in the cloud (everything worth saving, that is) will eventually have to be rescued by some grandma somewhere with tape backups of your favorite movies in her attic.

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

we could get rid of capitalism, stop burning all the libraries on purpose.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Realistically, it could be done, the problem is all current cloud providers only invest in backups and maintenance as far as it makes them or helps make them a profit.

A well-run well-funded public option would be far better than the current situation. Yea, crisis's can and will happen, but to me to qualify as "well-run" it would have to have established and practiced procedures and contingency plans for such things. Perhaps a "globally funded and run" public option so that no singular political upheaval or natural disaster in certain parts of the planet would be able to significantly affect things.

Hell, with enough funding we could even have a daily batched "moon backup" so even in the case of a total global disaster, there's still something left.

Conversely, it would be far more likely for Grandma to lose data when compared to a "well funded well run" public option. Grandma may or may not have invested in the proper 321 backup strategy, or even tested them, or stored them properly Grandma may very well have just tossed em in a box in a hot and humid attic. Any ability to retrieve what you wanted from Grandma's box of tape backups would be entirely on luck and fate.

That being said, at the end of the day, we have to get one of those promising "permanent" storage technologies to hit mass production (Like the ceramic or glass storage medium or the DNA based one) if we want any hope of actually preserving our digital data in a way that will stand the test of time and lack of maintenance.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -5 points 2 months ago

File storage blockchains address this problem. You basically pay an ever-changing group of people to save your (possibly encrypted) file. When there are too few copies of the file available for download, the reward for seeding it increases.

However, this assumes at least occasional global funding to survive competition. And they would never make a moon backup because the market would place no value on its discovery.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 20 points 2 months ago

I often tell boomers that they can't identify with millennials because they never experienced what we experienced. If they want to relate to us, they have to talk to their parents lol.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

It's funny because part of enshittification is people self censoring for some dumb fucking reason

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you haven't played a DVD in 10 years, you should probably see if it still works.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And what if it doesn't? It's not like you can fix them.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

No need to keep storing it if it does not.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would it be damaged over time? Dust?

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"My son, I grew up with depression, I was born in it, molded by it, just as you have grown up with enshittification, that is why you are, think, and do shit. Such is the legacy of our forefathers we all inherit."