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Yep, heard someone complain about Khelif and I asked them if we should have disqualified Phelps considering his genetics give him all the advantages and if they believed we would have complained about Khelif 20 years ago and if they believed that men who's testosterone is under a certain level should fight in the women's category. That was the end of them complaining.

Reactionaries don’t want womens sports, they want beauty pageants with extra steps; something they can fap to. That’s why they go after somewhat brolic looking women, regardless if they’re cis or trans: they no make pp hard, therefore they shouldn’t be allowed

Do women want to fight Imane? Probably not.

Do I want to fight Tyson in his prime? Probably also no lol

I'm not trying to make her look like Tyson but they are both outside the norm just like 99% of top athletes.

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere about this debate. You probably wonder "so what should the rules be to include an athlete for women's sports? Surely there must be some rule". This is understandable but please realize that the transphobes who are pushing this aren't concerned at all with the specifics. They're not even interested in women's sports. They want to remove trans women from public life altogether. Not just sports but everywhere. Intimidating trans athletes into obscurity is just their most recent tactic.

So please remember that there is no test that will satisfy the transphobes. There is no fair rule that can be agreed upon, because the transphobes will always keep moving the goalposts. This gets extremely complex. There is no use in debating these people. They will debate forever, because the actual deep down motivation is disgust with trans people.

Save your energy. Don't debate transphobes.

When you're a gold medal winning man, you have overcome the obstacles of a normal man to become a superman.

When you're a gold medal winning woman, you have overcome the obstacles of a normal woman to become a man.

That's the logic at play.

I looked her up again to get caught up on what kind of info wikipedia has updated on her.

I really admire her stance.

Imane Khelif doesn't even have genetic differences! She's a cis woman who happens to currently be one of the best in the world at punching!

It's not about protecting women. It's about attacking women.

There I fixed your conclusion.

Phelps needs to be investigated because I'm pretty sure he is a largely a dolphin

Genetically, he's been disqualified for swimming due to having a Z chromosome, meaning he's sexually a fish.

i think we need a normie olympics, it'd be like the paralympics, but for people randomly selected from the average population.

This whole thing de-legitimatizes any point any TERF argument ever had, is what I'd say if there was any point they had to begin with.

She almost, ALMOST has it!

Just a little bit of mental extension and she’ll realize that this is the same reason trans women should be allowed to play women’s sports as well

How is that a TERFy statement as is? It's this post ragebait or brainrot?

I personally like to descirbe myself as tolerant. Not exactly progressive, but I very much see the struggle some people live with and so I decided that not being hostile to anyone is the least that I can do in case I don't just straight-up support some causes. I had to get this clear, because my opinion doesn't exactly match with the one detailed in the post or at the very least I find fault in it's reasoning.

The problem is that all the "genetic advantages" that make someone a good swimmer for example, are all unrelated traits, that are not really rare in people, it's just that it's quite rare for them to all be present in one person who then also goes off to be a swimmer. Testosterone on the other hand is a single hormone, exceptionally important in becoming an outstanding athlete and for that precise reason it's considered a performance-enhancing drug. If you look at it this way it's not that hard to see the problem.

Being more muscular certainly is an advantage. Being taller also is. Longer arms also are. Lower body-fat percentage also is. Better stamina also is. Better agility also is.

Any boxer you pick randomly should be expected to have one or more of these "genetic advantages", but all of them, resulting from a single condition is quite a different situation. Elevated testosterone levels are a single cause for developing some of the most important traits of a dominating boxer and so someone with such an advantage can't be considered a freak of nature in the same sense that someone like Phelps can be. There isn't a "swimmer hormone" that magically gives you all the advantages in swimming, but there is a "fighter hormone", that does in boxing. I personally don't think that Khelif could be anything other than a women. I just think that her body happens to overproduce a literal PED and that's a problem for anyone who wants to go up against her or those that want to see fights that are more or less determined by technique.

Now for solutions and as far as I see there's only one that doesn't involve excluding her from boxing. Simply put her and anyone with similar conditions in a weight class based on their muscle mass and not their actual body mass. Moving her one weight class up for example would at least mean that her opponents have trained with punches of similar force to her's, something that the lack of seemed to have been a problem for her foes in Paris. She would still have an advantage in terms of speed, but she would pay the price of having less fat for impact absorption. I think that would be a win-win scenario.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.