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Scale armor vs Plate armor in endgame (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 month ago by JYZero@lemmy.world to c/pixeldungeon@lemmy.world
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Just wondering if a highly upgraded scale armor can carry through the metropolis or if I'm just effed if I don't find a plate armor. If so, what should I be looking to upgrade the scale armor to? Thanks.

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[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Scale is absolutely fine. Scale gets +1/+4 with each upgrade and plate gets +1/+5 and starts a little higher. You're much better off not throwing away upgrades you put into scale in order to make the switch. Now, if you have scale +4 and find plate +3, and you have upgrades to burn, sure, make the switch. Those armors at that point are about the same, and putting upgrades into plate is better.

With a ranged class, I sometimes beat that game with just chain mail. With melee, you can beat the game with only +4 scale. You just put more upgrades into weapons and wands so you kill things faster or have good utility. "The best defense is a strong offense." (Unless you're playing berserker, which you should not do except to get the badge maybe.)

[–] polyduekes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

what do you mean?, berserker is cool, i like berserker :(, or on that i like every subclass XD

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Playing berserker is like not having a subclass at all. It doesn't do anything unless you dump a million upgrades into armor and intentionally get hit in order to increase your meager damage by... 50%. Meager damage because you dumped your upgrades into armor instead of a weapon.

Even when you're trying to get hit, you just dodge a bunch anyway. You have to literally just stand there passing turns and getting hit to build any significant amount of rage. And you have to be dangerously low in HP or it just evaporates away by the time you find the next enemy. Maybe not completely, but certainly under 100, so now you have low HP and not enough rage to save you from dying.

Meanwhile, you could have just upgraded your weapon instead of armor and killed things faster and be safer because there would be no reason to maintain low HP.

And If you do somehow die while at 100 rage, the whole subclass shuts down for 3 character levels. Wow.

The anti-death thing doesn't trigger unless you have exactly 100 rage. If you have 99 and get blasted by an evil eye... sorry, you just die. It makes the talent that gives you a limit of 150 rage required to get any benefit from the anti-death feature.

If you are a berserker and play the game normally, you will literally never build 100 rage. Hell, you will rarely hit 50 rage. It's like not even having a subclass. It's entirely useless.

In summary, trying to actually utilize the subclass brings about your death. In a subclass that's about not dying. And in exchange you get a tiny boost to your meager damage.

[–] polyduekes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

anyways i gotta agree with you that berserker sucks if you are doing forbidden runes and faith is my armor challenge

[–] polyduekes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

uhhh, who told you have to dump all sou, even in ascension a +6 plate armor does a pretty great job

this was my last berkserker build for example and it pretty much compliments the endure crown ability, and additional 50℅ damage with so much shielding is a pretty great deal, like it literally saved me from dying(thanks to the endless fury talent) due to the damn great amount of shielding i got and if evasion is your problem then just defense augment the armor

And If you do somehow die while at 100 rage, the whole subclass shuts down for 3 character levels. Wow.

imagine using deathless fury but at +1 :)

If you are a berserker and play the game normally, you will literally never build 100 rage. Hell, you will rarely hit 50 rage. It's like not even having a subclass. It's entirely useless.

haha now that's just plain lying, i have built 100+ rage so many times

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

haha now that's just plain lying, i have built 100+ rage so many times

Not lying. I did it once as a test. Played berserker and just played like normal. Never once had a red icon.

If you dump upgrades into a weapon as normal, you simply don't take enough hits to build significant rage, and when you so, it just evaporates unless you're near death, like I said.

[–] polyduekes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

well i guess you don't play the tanking style, it is always helpful in that

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I played normal melee. Run around and punch things. Explore more, find the next monster and punch it to death, too. And during that time never hit 100 rage. Everything just died too fast, and they don't spawn fast enough to keep your rage going unless you're very low on health. That class and playing the game normally is an anti-synergy.

[–] p0479@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Don't think I ever completed it with scale... I hold out and get plate or I die

[–] Mr_lobber_lobber@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I've still not completed the game with a platearmor...scale in +8 seems to work.

[–] Audalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Both work very well for the entire journey there and back. I use the first I get my hands on (typically scale armour) and upgrade it to +8. But if it's plate armour, you might have to start using it before gaining the necessary strength, so be ready to spend more time and food on a few levels in the prison area.