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JD Vance Called Out Over Lie About His Mama's Addiction (crooksandliars.com)

submitted 3 months ago by DevCat@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

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"They censor us, but it doesn't change the truth," he said before telling a whopper of a lie about his mama in a new ad. "Joe Biden's open border is killing Ohioans, with more illegal drugs and more Democrat voters pouring into this country.

"This issue is personal," he added. "I nearly lost my mother to the poison coming across our border. No child should grow up an orphan. I'm J.D. Vance, and I approve this message because whatever they call us, we will put America first."

The only problem here is that he lied. As a nurse, JD Vance's mother stole prescribed medications from her patients, and that was not because of undocumented immigrants. Vance got the community note routine on Xitter.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 72 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm starting to think this JD Vance fellow might just be a liar. And a fiend.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No wonder Dotard Don picked him!

Grift calls to grift.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 months ago

Well that and Peter Thiel made him.

[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Thats OK, Trump will tell enough truth for the both of them \s

[–] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago

At this point can’t we just re use the same line about republicans that’s used about drug addicts?

How can you tell they are lying?

Their lips are moving.

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oof those are some fashy dog whistles. Equating Democrat voters with outsiders and migrants, implying to their base that true Americans are white conservatives. Lying is only one small provable part but not even the worst of it.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ironic considering his wife is an Indian immigrant

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Grifters gonna grift! You'll find a lot of hypocrisy if you look for anything more than a glance.

[–] RidgeDweller@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago

Dude, the '96 Immigration Act went into effect right around the same time his mama was arrested for stealing drugs from her work. We've tried this shit already and it doesn't work.

But sure, focus on "hurting the right people" instead of actually supporting orphaned kids or those suffering from addiction. I know he's dog whisting, but come the fuck on. We desperately need to fund public education to counter the indoctrinated fear held by people that still eat this shit up.

They don't exist, JD, and if they did they're sure as fuck aren't censoring you considering I can read this bullshit.

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I appreciate the correct pronoun of Xitter.

Pronounced SH- IT-TER.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Lying is NOT against the Bible so WHO CARES?

[+] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -154 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

I don't think that's technically a lie. His mother almost died due to her opiate addiction. Opiates are being smuggled across the border. He could have been a little clearer but he's saying that he wants to stop the smuggling of opiates because he knows how harmful they are from personal experience, not that his mother almost died specifically due to those opiates that are being smuggled across the border.

[–] echutaaa@sh.itjust.works 105 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"I nearly lost my mother to the poison coming across our border“ sure sounds like lying to me. There’s clear omission of key facts leading people to the wrong conclusion.

[+] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -79 points 3 months ago (6 children)

It would have been clearer to say "I nearly lost my mother to the sort of poison that is now coming across our border," but he's recording an ad and he needs to be concise. I would agree that he was being misleading if he was trying to use his mother's addition as evidence that opiates are being smuggled from Mexico, but he isn't. (It is a widely acknowledged fact that a lot of opiates are smuggled in from Mexico.) Therefore even if some listeners do assume that his mother was addicted specifically to Mexican opiates, that doesn't substantially affect their understanding of what he's saying.

[–] 242@lemmy.cafe 51 points 3 months ago

Are you auditioning for the Olympic Mental Gymnastics team or something? He lied. The end.

[–] Taco2112@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

Yes it would’ve been clearer but that’s not what he said, he almost lost her to the poison that IS coming over the border (emphasis is mine). That is a lie.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is a widely acknowledged fact that a lot of opiates are smuggled in from Mexico.

Then you shouldn't have any trouble providing a citation or two? Otherwise, this is as weak as it gets...

[+] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Here's an excerpt from what the DEA is saying:

The Sinaloa Cartel and the Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación (also known as CJNG or the Jalisco Cartel) are the main criminal organizations in Mexico, and the most dangerous. They control clandestine drug production sites and transportation routes inside Mexico and smuggling corridors into the United States and maintain large network “hubs” in U.S. cities along the Southwest Border and other key locations across the United States.

The scope of the Sinaloa and Jalisco cartels’ control over each segment of the criminal drug trade has effectively eliminated any competition in U.S. markets, and enabled cartel members to establish a presence in every U.S. state

Source. Warning, it's a long PDF.

[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, I don't see opiates mentioned. Also, DEA is a questionable source at best. Their job is to create the war on drugs, not end it

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why are you defending a fascist liar who intentionally lied? Lol like adding a word was too much, he just didn't have time!

You are going to get all sorts of shit defending a liar. One can only guess why you're doing it. Hmmm, I wonder

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It would have been clearer. But he didn't word it that way. He worded it VERY VERY specifically to direct racial hatred at "dirty druggie Mexicans" using the most textbook of textbook definitions of lying.

Take them at face value when they are explicitly saying what they mean. This guy is a raging racist prick.

[–] Sanguine@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Its not widely accepted..back when his mother was addicted to opiates it was likely "China white" in that area of the country; likely imported from the middle east / asia. Heroin coming from mexico has historically been the "black tar" variety.

Thats if she was taking heroin. If it was Rx opiates she didn't need to go further than her pain doctor back then. The rules have changed a lot over the years but 10 years ago she would have been able to get those filled by her provider.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It was Rx opiates, ones she was stealing from her patients.

[–] Sanguine@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Thanks for context, I could not be bothered to research anything about this guy. Glad his mom found recovery but the specifics here make it even more ridiculous how he is tying his moms substance use issues to the proverbial boogeymen south of the border.

[+] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -79 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not exclusive. One probably led to the other.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let me know how cartel fentanyl got into our medical supply and then I'll be concerned. Til then, go defend fascists somewhere else.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't give a single fuck about fascists. I care about fucking addicts. Pretending she only took prescriptions she stole and never interacted with anything else is absurd.

Don't lose your humanity to shit on a fascist.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not losing my humanity, it's an integral part of shitting on fascists. This fuck head's solution to the fentanyl crisis is to kick out and lock out immigrants. The vast majority of people caught smuggling fentanyl are US citizens. Explain how stirring racist tensions is gonna fix that.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago

That solution is both useless and insane. Also horrendous. Not gonna defend that.

We don't need to misunderstand addiction and how opiate addicts work to stunt on cunts.

[–] reddwarf@feddit.nl 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"JD Vance's mother stole prescribed medications from her patients"

Please show me how this is related to illegal drug imports, borders, Biden, etc.

JD Vance's mother was a stealin' junkie, plain and simple.

#JDVanceCrimeFamily

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

Opiates are primarily being smuggled by American citizens for the opiate addiction they aquired due to the over-prescription of opiates for care fueled by Perdue Pharma.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 months ago

He could have been a little clearer but he's saying that he wants to stop the smuggling of opiates because he knows how harmful they are from personal experience, not that his mother almost died specifically due to those opiates that are being smuggled across the border.

Could have been a little clearer? He blantlantly tried misleading the listener. That's called a lie. He lied.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago

The opiate situation is 100% because big pharma got people hooked.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's a lot of gymnastics to give Nazis the benefit of the doubt. They know exactly what they are doing.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Op does too, that's why they're trying to help them lie

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Huh, maybe she shouldn't have been working for a hospital which, according to you, dispensed to their patients opiates that were smuggled across the border.

If only there were a politician trying to build a medical system that supported patients and secured jobs for medical workers so that they wouldn't feel the need to use illegal narcotics! And if only that politician were part of a party that tried to get help for people with drug addictions instead of labeling them a criminal, thus causing societal pressures that sent people spiraling into dark lonely corners that harm entire families.

Alas, such things sound far too productive and positive, so we should instead promote victim-blaming, vote for a wannabe-dictator, and perpetuate lies that deflect problems with local solutions onto "others" for state-funded oppression programs.

[–] homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago

The US invented pill mills. Mostly for this specific category of drug.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

I mean I get what you’re saying but at the same time I’m not going to give him the benefit of the doubt in any context at this point.