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Trump says he'd like to take Kim Jong-Un to a baseball game (www.independent.co.uk)

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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 112 points 4 months ago (3 children)

A convicted felon wants to take the guy that has children executed for listening to music to a baseball game. What a dream team.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hey now. Be fair. The convicted felon is also an alleged child abuser and rapist.

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also attempted coup doer. Weird to me that everyone seems to forget that. Maybe it needs a more catchy phrase.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think "Benedict Donald" has a decent ring to it. For anyone who knows any amount of history, anyway.

[–] Timii@biglemmowski.win 2 points 4 months ago

I'm hoping "felonious DJT" catches on.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

7th inning stretch music turns into a bloodbath as the screams can be heard several blocks away from the stadium.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Take me out at the ball game,

Take me out in the crowd!

[+] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Generally if you hear something that makes no sense about an enemy of the US, it's either outright fabricated or missing vital context.

Like the trash story from a couple months ago was missing the context that South Korea has been sending balloons that littered North Korea with leaflets beforehand.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You're right. Maybe the kids in OPs post had been warned already to stop listening to music. They probably instigated and escalated the situation.

[+] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Come on, what's more likely, that North Koreans are literally cartoon villains who execute children for listening to music (when they're not pretending to till the fake fields around the fake village at the border, pretending to play in the fake water park, or pulling the trains from village to village)? Or that some tabloid made it up, and nobody bothers to fact check anything about north korea?

You'd recognize how silly it is if a conservative told you " hates us for our freedom", why don't you see it here?

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think both scenarios are 100% plausible. If conservatives made those claims about a political enemy, I'd look at the body of evidence that enemy has produced, and make some judgement calls. NK has a shit track record of being good to its citizens. There are videos of defectors getting shot, stories of political prisoners or just prisoners being tortured and killed, some from the United States, and mountains of other individual acts that show them them as radicals that may kill kids just because.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This comment brought to you by the totally 100% unbiased minds of lemmy.ml.

[–] Timii@biglemmowski.win 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just left that instance because of it being a shithole. Thank you for affirming my decision.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

You're welcome. I accidentally had an account on that shithole when I first joined Lemmy. Spent a bunch of time in the tech communities, those weren't so bad, so it took a bit to notice. I don't think they were up front about pandering to authoritarian states in their description when I joined, either, they might have changed since.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I feel like all Harris (or whoever, but realistically, almost certainly Harris) has to do at this point is to read aloud a transcript of crazy shit he says in the context of a debate and just not let go until Trump either provides some sort of real answer or just completely loses his mind and tries to bum rush her podium.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

The man clearly has a head full of mush. When is the media going to demand a press conference to ask him pointed questions about his mental health? That's how we judge our older presidential candidates, and trump is the oldest candidate in presidential history.

I fully expect 10 more articles from every publication, just on the gibberish from this instance. Maybe trump could drop out so JD Vance can run? More and more people are saying that recently.

JD Vance makes trump look ancient. Can we get clarification on trump's mental issues, maybe through a solo press conference with JD Vance? Trump doesn't have to attend.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

If she read a transcript of Trump's inane ramblings, the sound bites of her sounding insane while saying all that would be on Fox and the rest of right wing media within minutes.

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Yes after her opening statement of “things a convicted felon says …”

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This is amazing! So like everything with this dipshit, his base has to gargle his balls and defend everything as the best and the Right Thing™ which means they should be supporting a communist dictator!

Their entire identity is being against communism!

Love it.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Really wonder how they'll renconcile those

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Why reconcile when you can just keep gargling balls?

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago

No no guys, he misspoke! He wants his base to gargle kims balls

[–] HWK_290@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cool, save a seat for Hannibal Lecter!

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What an idiot. Everyone knows K.J. is a basketball guy.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure, take him to one in Cuba.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Trump getting charged for violating the sanctions he put on Cuba would be really funny.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Donald Trump said he’d like to take North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un to a baseball game as he boasted about their friendship at a Michigan rally on Saturday.

Under Kim’s leadership, “the government maintains fearful obedience by using threats of torture, executions, imprisonment, enforced disappearances, and forced labor,” Human Rights Watch reports.

Trump mentioned Orbán during the same Michigan rally, celebrating praise he claimed to have received from the authoritarian leader.

“Viktor Orbán... said when asked what happened with the world it’s falling to pieces, the wars all over, he said, ‘Bring back Trump.

The Hungarian leader has similarly praised Trump, calling the former president his “good friend” earlier this year when the duo met in Washington, DC.

Trump has also repeatedly praised Russia’s Vladimir Putin – even taking his side over that of US intelligence at a press conference in Helsinki in 2018 – and Xi Jinping of China.

The original article contains 446 words, the summary contains 148 words. Saved 67%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Take you out to the ballllll gameee. Because you make me look tameeeee. But once I learn from you and start my term, I’ll change the term to last a thousand and one years… oh I’ll take you out to the ballllll gameeee

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 5 points 4 months ago

Is that before or after the knob slobbin? Hard to tell with these republikkklowns.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Trump says" ...
fucking junk article ?
..."he’d like to take Kim Jong-Un to a baseball game"
But of course : 99% of the time.

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

If only it had been just an inch or two to the right...

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 4 points 4 months ago

I'd like to take them both to a baseball ~~game~~ bat

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Me too! He would be the ball. I would have the bat. I can't afford tickets right now because we spend our tax money keeping an eye on Kim. So we'll play in the back of a NY Alley where it's safe.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 4 months ago

so bets on if he thinks jong-un spent his whole life in north korea. Im betting he does thing that.

[+] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social -27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This is ... good? Fuck Trump, don't vote for him, but diplomacy is good. Progressives should be advocating for an end to our economic warfare against the people of NK, and attitudes like this are moving in that direction.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 months ago

I mean, independent of Trump doing it yeah it's a good thing to try and pull them into normal diplomacy. But Trumps not inviting Kim for normal diplomacy in the hopes their countries can be freer and more prosperous together. He's inviting him so their countries can be more dictatorial. This is technically speculation, but I'd call it closer to an educated guess based on Trumps praise of dictators.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

There’s diplomacy and then there’s taking Kim Jong-Un out to a baseball game like he deserves anything friendlier than a punch in the mouth. This would have an effect far closer to validating his behaviour than working towards improving it.

Trump is eating dinner at the table full of Nazis(and other authoritarians).

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In other cases? Perhaps. There is the famous story of Boris Yeltsin visiting the US in 1989, visiting a grocery store, and realizing that capitalism was superior (honestly the whole thing never smelled right to me and I've never seen a direct quote from Yeltsin about it, but whatever). I'm sure there are other cases where normalizing relations and sharing culture has helped to ease tensions.

Kim Jong Un doesn't need any of that. He grew up and went to school in Switzerland. He's a huge fan of basketball and American movies. He is familiar with American culture already. North Korea's hostilities aren't about competing ideology, but about Kim Jong Un maintaining power by carefully maintaining a balance between his own military leaders, China and (to a lesser extent) Russia versus the US, South Korea, and their allies. It's in China's interest right now to have a belligerent puppet state who is annoying to the west without actually escalating to war. Until those geopolitics change, taking Kim Jong Un to see America's least favorite past time is only promoting and encouraging authoritarianism.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Given that Yeltsin would proceed to coup the USSR and bring back capitalism, decreasing life expectancy by 20 years, which it has barely recovered from, immiserating the entire country, causing widespread famine, and paving the way for Putin, you could have picked a better example.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I meant in terms of establishing good diplomatic relations between the US and Russia. From the fall of the Berlin wall up until the Obama administration it looked like relations were steadily improving as Russia was becoming more capitalist. Also at least from the US perspective it's probably the most famous case of exposing a hostile foreign diplomat to American values.

I remember reading articles about how Russia was giving away land and paying people to come populate their rural eastern provinces. I'm not sure exactly when the sentiment changed- Putin clearly didn't like Obama, but at this moment I can't remember any specific incidents pior to the Crimea invasion. Before that, I remember them being seen as an economically inferior, but developing, potential ally. Similar to Japan before it's "miracle", lumped into BRIC with Brazil, India, and China as a potential new place to do business.

As for Yeltsin being bad for Russians? Eh, probably. I'm content leaving discussion to those whose special interest is recent Russian history.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I remember them being seen as an economically inferior, but developing

In the 70s, they were comparable with the US. It cannot be overstated how disastrous the 90s were; imagine if overnight the entire population of the US was reduced to the economic conditions of India.

A warm relationship with the US was premised on the immiseration of the Russian people for the benefit of international capital, with the Russian national bourgeoisie eventually joining them, but the specifics are a bit more complicated.

I can’t remember any specific incidents pior to the Crimea invasion

The coup in Ukraine, where the US supported right-wing factions hostile to Russia in the newly formed government was the immediate incident prior to that.

This chapter of The Shock Doctrine does a great job of covering the US policy maker's actions and their perspectives during the 90s and 2010s:

https://archive.org/details/fp_Naomi_Klein-The_Shock_Doctrine/page/n251/mode/2up

[+] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Trump foreign policy:

-1 Increasing sanctions on Cuba

-1 Increasing drone strikes in the middle east and Africa

-1 Not enforcing Minsk II

-1 stealing Iranian tanker

-1 Blowing up the guy who beat ISIS, while he was on a peace mission in a third country

+1 Calling off the war with Iran at the last hour

+1 threatening to leave NATO

-1 increasing funding for NATO

+1 Afghanistan withdrawal agreement

-1 escalating trade war with China

I can't give him one for North Korea since it didn't result in anything but a silly photo where Trump salutes some random north Korean soldier.

edit: What are the downvotes for? Does anyone disagree with my analysis? Is there someone out there chomping at the bit for war with Afghanistan, Iran, China, and Russia and starving Cubans?

[–] Tujio@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think some people have problems with your evaluation of the last few points.

I'm not gonna give him credit for calling off the war with Iran, since it was his own stupid decisions that got us there.

There are a lot of NATO fans here, so you're catching flak for the +/- evaluation on both of those points.

The withdrawal from Afghanistan was a goddamn trainwreck, so I don't think he should get points for that. Not entirely his fault, because the actual exodus didn't happen under his watch, but his timeline certainly didn't set his successor up for success.

But in general, saying anything even vaguely complementary towards Orange Julius is gonna earn you some downvotes around here.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

I’m not gonna give him credit for calling off the war with Iran, since it was his own stupid decisions that got us there.

It's still -1 on Iran, blowing up Soleimani was insane.

The withdrawal from Afghanistan was a goddamn trainwreck

In 2010, the Afghani people had 3 problems, the US, Kabul, and the Taliban.

Now they have 1 problem. It was bound to be this way since the day we went in and gave the people a bigger problem than the Taliban. Kabul wasn't even part of the negotiations.