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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] Zatore@lemm.ee 282 points 3 months ago (38 children)

shouldn't the federal minimum wage apply to everyone who is doing work in the US? This seems like fraud

[–] polonius-rex@kbin.run 124 points 3 months ago (3 children)

how would you distinguish this from regular outsourcing

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 205 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Outsourcing is the problem.

The owners take advantage of our commons, tear up our roads, and succeeded because of domestic infrastructure, only to refuse to pay full price for labor and allowing even those wages, in lieu of the taxes they bribe our government to enact loopholes to dodge, to "trickle down" domestically as their always bullshit yay market capitalism talking points lied?

It's absolutely clownshoes that outsourcing labor/manufacturing is allowed, not because of domestic shortages for a skill, but to explicitly pay pennies on the dollar for the employees you need and screw the country you don't want to pay taxes to despite record profits even harder.

It's insane. But we let the owner class dictate whatever they want here, and our well bribed government will even sell it for them by calling it "something something freedom" while never mentioning social consequences, accountability, or responsibility. We aren't so much a country as a piggy bank and cudgel for the global owner class.

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 months ago

That the neat thing, you don't.

Here, for certain industries (might be all but I don't have first hand accounts of that), the contractors must make sure that the companies/freelancers they employ pay their taxes, otherwise, they are on the hook for it.

Do the same. If a company outsource work, they should prove that they pay the same as they would in their region, and if it not, be hit hard by fines and/or jail time.

But one can only dream I guess

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Should apply to that as well if they're interacting with the US market. All the way through subcontractors to the end employee. No hiding behind contracting local companies.

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[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 151 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I would just unplug the camera and computer. Every day. Even if I wasn't buying anything.

Fuck this business.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago (21 children)
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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 141 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Boo for OP who didn't name and shame

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 65 points 3 months ago (5 children)

https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/us-news/nyc-restaurants-use-zoom-cashiers-from-philippines/

adding that she splits tips with her manager and kitchen staff at the restaurant.

They don't even let her keep her entire tips. The whole situation is fucked. Somebody mentioned in the article also brought up a great point...

“Today, this is a Filipino woman behind a screen, controlling a POS system — but it’s not crazy to believe that probably in the next six to twelve months, this could be an AI avatar doing all the same things,” he said.

What a shitty future we have.

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 months ago

Zoom ID and pass are in the image tho 😄

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 124 points 3 months ago (6 children)

this should be straight up illegal.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 95 points 3 months ago (9 children)

It's not only legal it's effectively encouraged. Capitalism is a race to the bottom, regardless of consequences.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 108 points 3 months ago (4 children)

At that point why even have a cashier? Just put a POS and have people swype to enter like a subway.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 76 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Because then you can't show the world that you're a piece of shit who enjoys exploiting cheap labor.

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 51 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Sounds like they've already got a POS, just higher up on the org chart.

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 76 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Good thing they build a wall so these mean immigrants are not stealing jobs.

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[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 72 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

This shit has got to be outlawed. Companies are doing this across the board. Literally skirting labor laws, outsourcing jobs that should be going to us citizens, all to just continue pouring more money into the tops pockets. When will we have all had enough?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

It's a simple enough solution in this case. They are performing the work of employees, so for all intents and purposes, they are employees. They are directly interacting with US customers at a physical location within the US. Their place of work is that physical location, even if they are not physically present. They need authorization to work in the US, and the minimum wage laws applicable to that location applies to these workers.

All that is missing is the lawsuit under existing labor laws, which they will probably lose.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 70 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I would not shop here. If I saw this, I would turn around and walk out. Go somewhere that they value work.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

BuT nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

BuT nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe

:D

Obligatory -

[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How about this one from about 2000 years ago:

37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;

Matthew 9:37

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+9%3A37&version=KJV

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[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This feels cyberpunk. Some netrunner will hack the system and give free meals away because fuck the corpos, right?

[–] ColonelPanic@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I don't think you need a netrunner to plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit "Leave" on the (I assume) Zoom call.

Even easier, unplug the ethernet cable.

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[–] Twoafros@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago (25 children)

Are there movements in the US or globally to force all business into worker coops? Unions are good but I think this is their ultimate limitation, that employers can just offshore their jobs

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Having no actual person guarding your business is a recipe for theft. If this catches on it will be so much easier to steal from places. I'm ok with this

[–] Catma@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (6 children)

You shouldnt ever try to protect the cash register at your place of work. They give 0 fucks about you and will have a job posting up before your body is cold.

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[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Unplug the display & camera, get meals for free?

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[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Japanese Fried Chicken? JFC

Looks like this is "Japang". Terrible reviews online and described as actually a "ghost kitchen".

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ghost kitchens for those who don’t know are basically “restaurants” for online takeout orders. They don’t do in person service.

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[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why not just have a kiosk at this point

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The monthly subscription to the kiosk software still costs more I bet.

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[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Working as a graphic designer in the US since the early 2000's, every employer I ever worked for eventually used Fiverr to pay someone overseas a fraction of what they paid me to do the same work. This doesn't seem meaningfully different.

Not saying this is okay, just that it's not even remotely (no pun intended) a new problem.

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[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Ah yes, it's the minorities who are stealing jobs. Not the lack of regulations blocking corpos from outsourcing work.

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[–] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Theyre stealing our jobs without even being here! /s

[–] III@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe someone will catch on to who the actual enemy is here...

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[–] sudo42@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I’m honestly surprised the corps haven’t done this to all of their drive-thrus.

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What happens when you join the zoom id listed?

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

The host denies you access. I just tried, waited for 5 minutes before being denied access.

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