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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17221249

Progress: the Katy Freeway in Houston, Texas, spans across 26 lanes making it the worlds widest. The freeway is broken down in to 12 main lanes (six in each direction), eight feeder lanes.

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

It's absurdly wide, but I'm calling bullshit on the widest highway in the world. Didn't China have a 50-lane highway?

It's too bad the straddle buses they were considering in China were infeasible. It was the kinda thing you could see from a mile away but you wanted to pretend it would work anyway, because they were too cool.

Edit: OP is misleading or even wrong, depending on how you count access/feeder/frontage roads. The short of it is that the Katy freeway maxes out at 13 lanes, not counting the access/frontage/feeder roads; which, as mentioned in a later reply, probably shouldn't be counted as part of the highway due to Texas' regulation around highways and frontage roads which causes frontage roads to be glorified city streets.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The picture of the "Chinese 50 lane road" was an internet hoax. It wasn't a road. It is a toll gate, and it also only has 25 lanes.

The Katy freeway that OP posted has 26 lanes and is considered the "largest" road. The picture doesn't really show it that well, and I'm also not sure if the feeder roads ought to count. It "only" has 6 ordinary lanes in both directions but a lot of entryways, exits and other designated lanes.

According to Guinness Book of Records, the widest road is in Brazil and is 250 meters wide. However this is also just a technicality, because it is also a 6 lane road with a really really wide median strip.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 10 points 4 months ago

The picture of the "Chinese 50 lane road" was an internet hoax. It wasn't a road. It is a toll gate, and it also only has 25 lanes.

If you're counting feeder roads, shouldn't toll gates get counted too? Even so, while looking up the widest road in Brazil that you mention later, I came across an article that explained that OP is actually wrong and that the Katy freeway maxes out at 13 lanes. The only way you get close to 26 lanes is if you also count the feeder/access/frontage roads. So the Chinese highway is still wider even if you don't count the toll gate (assuming you aren't counting access roads, though it might still be wider even if you count access roads).

The Katy freeway that OP posted has 26 lanes and is considered the "largest" road. The picture doesn't really show it that well, and I'm also not sure if the feeder roads ought to count. It "only" has 6 ordinary lanes in both directions but a lot of entryways, exits and other designated lanes.

I live in Texas and have been on the Katy freeway before. It's honestly extremely wide and makes you feel like you're surrounded by pavement.

Personally, I think access roads shouldn't be counted because iirc they're required by law (Texas law supposedly states that anyone with land immediately next to a highway must be able to access said highway) and treated like normal streets.

Like, on the one hand, Texas highways almost always have a road with at least one or two lanes running parallel on both sides that on/off-ramps connect to, so they should be counted as part of the highway, right?

On the other hand, they're treated as normal city streets, have a lower speed limit, can have traffic lights, have parking lot entrances/exits, and so forth; so they're not really part of the highway. It's not like you could bulldoze the access roads without potentially making a lot of homes and/or businesses completely inaccessible.

I didn't bring that up though, because I didn't want to risk someone getting mad because I was "minimizing the fuck cars energy" or something.

According to Guinness Book of Records, the widest road is in Brazil and is 250 meters wide. However this is also just a technicality, because it is also a 6 lane road with a really really wide median strip.

That makes me wonder if we should be counting lanes, actual width, or a ratio between the two. Imo a 250m wide, 6 lane road is significantly worse than a 169m wide, 26 lane road (Google says the Katy freeway is 169m wide at its widest). Technically the 6 lane road is greener because there's probably not as much vehicle pollution, but that's a fuckton of wasted space.

I feel like inefficiency should be the real target, but that doesn't make for good headlines or thread titles. Imagine titling a thread, "the Katy freeway is the world's least space efficient highway due to being X-wide with an A:B width:lane ratio" vs "the Katy freeway is the world's widest highway with 26 lanes". The latter is a lot easier to visualize than the former.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The wide shot I think you’re referencing in China I believe is a toll plaza, thus the 50 lanes.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 points 4 months ago

IIRC, there was an 80-lane highway in either Brazil or Argentina

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Double it and give it to the next generation

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 5 points 4 months ago

Just one more lane bro

[–] sandalbucket@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I can’t get the title to work.

It says 6 lanes in each direction, but I only see four, and can get to five if I count on/off ramps.

It says 8 feeder lanes, but 8 + 12 main lanes is only 20, not 26. Unless it means 8 per side, which would add up to 28.

Regardless, the best I can do is the off ramp in the top left. It has three “main” lanes and two left turn lanes, for a total of five. If I count the ramp next to it in addition to the four core lanes on that side of the median, we get ten lanes flowing from top to bottom - still 3 short of 13, which we’d then have to match on the other side to get 26.

I would call this 8 lanes; 4 in each direction. You can fudge the numbers by counting ramps, but even if you count parallel roads too, I don’t see anywhere close to 26.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 4 months ago

From my other comment on the cross post: 14 buses.