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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/17489781

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 62 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

This is some really expensive hardware for a processor that's a couple generations behind in performance.

Also, I'm surprised these can be shipped to the US. I thought this tech was sanctioned or something related to it, or perhaps, it might soon be.

EDIT: Ah, looks like it's legal to purchase even as an entry on the US Entity List, but I am not a lawyer.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago

A couple generations don’t mean much anymore.

Performance gains have been slow.

I’d rather understand where exactly is its performance in comparison to AMD and Intel.

Then I can make a call if it is worth it.

After all there’s plenty of Raspberry Pi level performance and people are happy with it as long as price is right.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Less than $400 for mobo, cpu and fan is not expensive even if it's a couple of gens behind

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I mean, it's a 4 core MIPS CPU, tops out at 2.5GHz and apparently compares to an i3 10100F, which is pretty much "reheated Skylake". This with native code.

It can translate x86 and ARM code in theory, but I can imagine the performance degradation. You can buy this if you want, I know I won't

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

I can get an AMD 7800X3D, a b650 mobo, and 32Gb of DDR5 RAM for $500 right now in a bundle from my local Microcenter. I bought that exact bundle for like $425 a few months ago when I rebuilt my gaming PC because they happened to have some other sale running that stacked with the bundle price. Gimme a modern x64 processor and DDR5 RAM I know will feasibly last me like 10 years for a few extra bucks any day.

[–] JoMomma@lemm.ee 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 49 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Why not? Those CPUs got perfect scores on Red Star OS.

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Gonna party like it's 1999...

[–] jamyang@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

More importantly, Winnie approved!

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Does it run Linux?

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[–] fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (7 children)

This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you're out of luck there. For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU. Also AMD's AM5 platform is DDR5 while this Chinese CPU and mobo combo is DDR4. $373 is a ridiculously non competitive price.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Who the fuck uses Windows 11?!

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Me 😢

I have a critical work app that will not run in wine or with proton.

I’ve even contacted the devs and they suggested trying to run the android version on Linux, but it doesn’t work either.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have several for work that will likely never work in Linux.

So those have a nice little VM they sit on, which has been stripped bare of the nonsense. Remote desktop access enabled, and I can do what I need whenever.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That’s pretty interesting, but it’s a meeting software. So I’m regularly sharing my screen and sharing files. So I need to be in the os. I’ll just key checking it every time a roster counts out for proton or the app I use.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's crazy, most meeting software I've seen is cross platform and have web clients.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

I know, it’s exactly how I feel about the situation.

They are going to release a new version with monetization soon. Maybe that will be a big .0 release and maybe there will be a Linux version.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So stream your desktop to the VM?

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

To share the bigger picture, I’m using this app 99% of my working hours. So it doesn’t make sense to do it this way.

I’d be better off just working out of the vm but due to performance loss and dealing with passing through usb I just use windows.

Although, outside of work I use Linux.

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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The majority of businesses and a lot of consumers. 46% of steam users. Few years it'll be the majority.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

46, goddamn

[–] Weslee@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I do, I've been trying to get off it and onto Bazzite but I tried to do a test run by installing it on my laptop before my pc and the boot loader won't pick up the usb 😔

I don't feel comfortable doing it on my pc without first seeing it work, so it seems I'm stuck on windows

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[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No Intel Management Engine though.

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[–] exanime@lemmy.today 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you're out of luck there.

That's a feature lol

For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU

Really? I'm actually asking because I don't think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price. Also, we'd need to confirm the specs and performance. So far it would be just speculation

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 4 points 4 months ago

Really? I’m actually asking because I don’t think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price.

Without even trying... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/msJQ6D

This is not even the lowest you can go, as I wouldn't get an A620 mobo. Also not a recommendation, just first three components I found.

BTW, afaik this is a MIPS CPU, with proprietary ISA. Who would want this other than the Chinese government exactly?

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Give us some links for combo of motherboard, CPU and fan. I assume it needs a fan.

[–] fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Here:

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-RyzenTM-6-Core-Mortar-Motherboard/dp/B0C1P856RB/

https://www.amazon.com/PCCOOLER-Paladin-Nickel-Plated-Anti-oxidant-Protective/dp/B0CN66YDXT/

CPU + Mobo combo plus a CPU cooler which adds up to about $381.40 which is $8 more than Chinese CPU + mobo combo. I think that's close enough to be within the margin of price fluctuations. That AM5 mobo comes with four memory slots, PCIe 4.0, USB 3.2 and Wifi 6E. Those features may be worth extra $8 for some.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Might be helpful to have this hardware if you want to develop malware targeting systems in China.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A few years from now we may be seeing US tariffs on these just like EVs today.

China is developing fast and it took US trade war seriously.

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[–] amanda@aggregatet.org 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think that is what they mean by “which is a bit like MIPS or RISC-V.“

[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

It is. Originally they were a MIPS-like, then they licensed it and became MIPS-compatible, then they extended it into their own instruction set.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)
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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (8 children)
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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why would anyone want this? Maybe they are forcing Chinese nationals to buy them and inflate their popularity as a product for Papa CCP.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

They probably sell them dirt cheap domestically, no need for coercion

[–] OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Could be for devs? China's long term goal is to wean itself off western software and hardware.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Speaking strictly in the US, which is what this article is about.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

US has plenty of open source devs and they need access to hardware to test their software.

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