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[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 155 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Literally, officially, it's now entirely legal under federal law for officials to accept and even solicit bribes for specific services rendered, just so long as they do it after, rather than before, the service is rendered.

They aren't even pretending to be a legitimate court of law any more - they're just a rubber-stamping service for the oligarchy.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's long past time to flush these turds

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they are actually just seeing how far they can go by now. This is a direct "Fuck you" right in our faces.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

And not a single one of us can or will do anything about it.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There is no process or procedure that can undo these people. The system has failed us.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Well there is, but it's illegal and these bastards sure ain't gonna endanger their own lives.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Historically that's not true. We have had disastrous governments and Supreme Courts in the past, and yet the country somehow survived. It's just that they do so much damage while they're around.

And just because things held together in the past is no guarantee that they will hold together in the future.

Rather than saying that the system has failed us, I think it's more accurate to say that the system has been failing the vast majority of Americans for many years.

[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 months ago

There's also nothing stopping them from taking a bribe for something they've already done if they do something else. "Hey, I'll pay you for the books you banned if you make hrt illegal"

[–] Drusas@kbin.run -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

just so long as they do it after, rather than before, the service is rendered.

Other way around. They can accept the bribe, but only after they have given whatever political favor they sold.

[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Right. Go back and reread it - that's what I said.

[–] Steve@communick.news 6 points 4 months ago

That's the other way of saying the same thing.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 90 points 4 months ago

Work would freak out if I accepted a gift from a client. I'd probably be fired. Yet somehow, this is okay for servants of the public.

Don't forget to vote this November. We are stuck with these dickheads until they die or retire because we fucked up in 2016 and Trump installed these assholes in rapid succession after McConnell refused to let Obama seat a justice. I'd also really appreciate more of the capped prescriptions Biden has done, paying $35 a month instead of hundreds for insulin. If he can cap some other medications, we will be one step closer to universal healthcare.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 71 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In ruling for the former mayor, the justices drew a distinction between bribery, which requires proof of an illegal deal, and a gratuity that can be a gift or a reward for a past favor. They said the officials may be charged and prosecuted for bribery, but not for taking money for past favors if there was no proof of an illicit deal.

huh?

[Ketanji Brown Jackson] said the mayor’s “absurd and atextual reading of the statute is one only today’s court could love.”

lol, GOTTEM

Prosecutors said James Snyder was heavily in debt and behind in paying his taxes when he became mayor of Portage, Ind., in 2012. The city needed new garbage trucks, and the mayor took over the required public bidding. He spoke regularly with two brothers who owned a local truck dealership that also had financial problems, and he designed the bidding process so that only their two new trucks would meet all of its standards. He also arranged to have the city buy an older truck that was on their lot.

Two weeks after the contracts were final, the mayor went to see the two brothers and told them of his financial troubles. They agreed to write him a check for $13,000 for undefined consulting services.

Seriously, how is that not outright corruption?

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So let me get this straight, it's not bribery because they had written contracts and it was afterwards? So if I let an official make investments into my company on behalf of me and I gave him money for it, it's only a problem if I gave him money before or I had no contract to show for it.

That is such a bonkers distinction I really wanna see how the fuck they define if the contract for the legal bribery is sufficient or not. Does it need a stamp? What the fuck

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Arguably it's networking though it bears a fun similarity to the right losing its shit over bidens son getting a job he probably didn't deserve like every other rich kid on the planet.

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

And it's even played out perfectly, all cliches and circumstances check out.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

This is some third world shit going down. Hey America: long term violent protests combined with a general strike.

Plan a a date, print up flyers. Do it.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Thomas creamin his pants rn

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The new RV he's going to get also converts into a houseboat

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[–] rjthyen@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago

A "donation" up front says I'll see what I can do, money after the fact says I'll fight for you. Sounds like bribery to me. Not that the current system isn't but backend feels so much worse

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What happened to “legislating from the bench”? Pepperidge Farm remembers when repubes were against it

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

In short it's typically limited to when judges make things up whole cloth, like qualified immunity, without legal basis. In judicial circles striking down laws or saying a law isn't applicable in a certain circumstance typically isn't regarded as legislating as they are ruling on the justness and applicability of an existing law rather than creating something wholely new.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Although a gratuity or reward offered and accepted by a state or local official after the official act may be unethical or illegal under other federal, state, or local laws, the gratuity does not violate §666.

Tldr the ruling only was about in relation to one law. The party may be guilty of a form of corruption under a different law.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Can't figure out through what warped interpretation that the ex-mayor's conduct doesn't meet the criteria of the statute, especially a1B. Help me out here:

18 US Code Sec 666

statute text

(a) Whoever, if the circumstance described in subsection (b) of this section exists—

(1) being an agent of an organization, or of a State, local, or Indian tribal government, or any agency thereof—

(A) embezzles, steals, obtains by fraud, or otherwise without authority knowingly converts to the use of any person other than the rightful owner or intentionally misapplies, property that—

(i) is valued at $5,000 or more, and

(ii) is owned by, or is under the care, custody, or control of such organization, government, or agency; or

(B) corruptly solicits or demands for the benefit of any person, or accepts or agrees to accept, anything of value from any person, intending to be influenced or rewarded in connection with any business, transaction, or series of transactions of such organization, government, or agency involving any thing of value of $5,000 or more; or

(2) corruptly gives, offers, or agrees to give anything of value to any person, with intent to influence or reward an agent of an organization or of a State, local or Indian tribal government, or any agency thereof, in connection with any business, transaction, or series of transactions of such organization, government, or agency involving anything of value of $5,000 or more;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

(b) The circumstance referred to in subsection (a) of this section is that the organization, government, or agency receives, in any one year period, benefits in excess of $10,000 under a Federal program involving a grant, contract, subsidy, loan, guarantee, insurance, or other form of Federal assistance.

(c) This section does not apply to bona fide salary, wages, fees, or other compensation paid, or expenses paid or reimbursed, in the usual course of business.

definitions

(d) As used in this section—

(1) the term “agent” means a person authorized to act on behalf of another person or a government and, in the case of an organization or government, includes a servant or employee, and a partner, director, officer, manager, and representative;

(2) the term “government agency” means a subdivision of the executive, legislative, judicial, or other branch of government, including a department, independent establishment, commission, administration, authority, board, and bureau, and a corporation or other legal entity established, and subject to control, by a government or governments for the execution of a governmental or intergovernmental program;

(3) the term “local” means of or pertaining to a political subdivision within a State;

(4) the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States; and

(5) the term “in any one-year period” means a continuous period that commences no earlier than twelve months before the commission of the offense or that ends no later than twelve months after the commission of the offense. Such period may include time both before and after the commission of the offense.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

It's somewhat long to post it all for a comment so I'll link it:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-108_8n5a.pdf

Read page 2 of the syllabus where it says "Held:" until page 4 if you want the shorter version.

Otherwise there's a 16 page explanation under the "opinion of the court" section directly after the syllabus, for those who are interested in a longer explanation.

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

It's amazing how almost every job not in the government already acknowledges and penalises this as a crime. But because these folks actually instate the rules they have to follow their somehow exempt from the same standards.

[–] Clasm@ttrpg.network 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Whelp, I'd say we had a good run, but, well...

Shit.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 4 points 4 months ago

We had a run.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I just can't any more...

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 6 points 4 months ago

That's cute we should charge them for bribery anyway. Fuck it.