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[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 78 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Yo dawg, I heard you like Linux. So I built a Linux container for your Linux phone. Now you can enjoy Linux while enjoying your Linux phone.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We definitely living in a simulation.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not that I don't disagree with you, but how did you come down to this conclusion?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

We're so many levels of abstraction and emulation deep, that the natural conclusion is that there's no reason to believe we're at the top of the abstraction, but somewhere in the middle.

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[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 6 points 3 weeks ago

Wonder if it's running on Linux

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago

You can call it GNU/Linux if the same name for OS and kernel turns out to be confusing for you.

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 56 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

You need a phone, tablet, or other device that’s been rooted.

Damit

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Rule of thumb for android users, all of the interesting shit is shit you can't do unless you're rooted.

[–] GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember when it used to be all the REALLY interesting stuff was root only, yet a lot of normal interesting stuff was non-root. Now even with root, modern Android can be a pain and the interesting stuff just pales in comparison with true Linux

yeah, linux has me spoiled, just being able to do whatever i want as i please is truly a modern art.

Android made me realize how incredible linux was by being so utterly painful.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 17 points 3 weeks ago

Me in this thread: revolvingdoor.gif

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

look into proot+termux-x11 if you don't have a rooted device, it's still very good.

[–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's just quite a bit slower. Everything else other than messing with /sys and android processes works the same.

HDMI, mouse and keyboard and you have an office pc.

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yup, I used it all the time with samsung dex, works great

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I looked on the play store and fdroid, haven't found anything. I'd love to have a Linux chroot with CLI linux software, don't want to root my phone. Halp.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For the lazy, in termux:

$ pkg install proot
$ pkg install proot-distro
$ proot-distro install debian
$ proot-distro login debian

Profit??

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[–] boredsquirrel 56 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

TLDR: Easy installation of something like Termux, GUI, Kwin and KDE, and a graphical display.

This is really good!

[–] lily33@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really. It seems to use a very different technology from termux.

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

it's actually not that far off a chroot, it uses LXC, the really cool thing thats going on is this wayland integration, I was waiting for termux-gui + wlroots to come along, but this might just land first

[–] lily33@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

However, it also uses halium and libhybris. That means you can't just install your favourite distro and upstream tools. Everything that needs GPU acceleration needs to be patched for libhybris. For example, that means no upstream wlroots - and the latest patched version I think is 0.12 or so.

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So how does it render to screen? Because the biggest nag on any of these previous implementations came when I needed to use VNC to remotely connect to the desktop...

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

it uses a modified wayland compositor that hooks up directly to android surfaceview. Currently if you want a chroot/proot solution, I reccomend termux-x11. it's good performance.

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[–] cafuneandchill@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

You could emulate Android on Linux before, now you can also emulate Linux on Android

The circle of libe is compleet

[–] critical@reddthat.com 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Now the only question is: How deep can you go?

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 8 points 3 weeks ago

We can also emulate windows on android and WSL obviously on windows.

So we can use Linux to emulate Android, which in turn emulates windows to run WSL

[–] eshep@social.trom.tf 10 points 3 weeks ago

@lemmyreader @cafuneandchill PostmarketOS in chroot in termux in waydroid on PostmarketOS 🤘

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

well it's not really emulation, if you are familiar with LXC it's that, it's pretty much a super chroot

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I recall using an app way back when I used to root and haxor all the mobiles that would do this. Kind of a virtualbox for the Nexus phones/tablets, but it needed root to do it. Will have to look into this, would be interesting if it can do so in user space somehow.

Edit: Damn, still needs root. Was a longshot to be able to hook into system resources without it but was hoping for some bridge function.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That bridge function would still need root (or critical level security holes) to be installed, if the ROM doesn't ship it.

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[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

if you want a non root solution, termux proot + termux-x11, or eventually termux proot + termux-gui + wayland compositor

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Does this mean I could install and run Blender on my phone???

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 6 points 3 weeks ago

You can try

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

you can already try that with chroot/proot, this just gives far better integration for input handling and stuff

[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If someone could build a preconfigured image that has Phosh and basic phone apps, I would consider using this full time.

[–] Hector@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Would be even better if it can be registered as the default launcher too

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could we uninstall almost all non system apps, make it autostart and prevent any other app from getting in the way?

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[–] cityboundforest@beehaw.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

I would as well

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

So I could use this to run PostmarketOS inside Android?

[–] eshep@social.trom.tf 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@lemmyreader @electricprism There is someone who managed to convert a proot-distro version of #alpine into a #pmos one. It's not as great as it may sound though.

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

there are massive limitations to termux proot/chroot that don't apply here. proper touch support is one of them.

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this is the most useful thing android will ever do.

Once rooted.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So basically it's UserLAnd with accelerated graphics instead of VNC.

[–] lily33@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

Actually, no, this seems to work on a very different principle.

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

*is going to be.

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