If Biden Isn’t the Democrats’ 2024 Candidate, Harris Will Be : aboringdystopia

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Good god! NO! Have they learned nothing from 2016???

There's a woman running for president, that seems to be the democrats only option (only because nobody is giving Bernie Sanders the time of day......for some reason......), and an entire nation, both on the left AND on the right, who are saying "Ew, no, we don't want her.....". Opposing her is trump, which one side of the election actively DO want to be president. So they'll have no troube with their voting decision.

And then there's the undecided voter. They don't like either option, but they see that even the left isn't happy with their choice, but the right IS happy with their choice......so from that logic, it sounds like they should vote republican, because they don't like either option, but at least SOME people DO like this option. And that's how trump becomes president.

The only question is, did I just describe 2016, or 2024?

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

It's such a low bar for the DNC to just put forth a viable candidate, and all they've come up with is a controversial president's wife who doesnt know when to shut up and not tank her own (and others) campaign, a genocidal geriatric strike-breaker, and now, after nearly two decades of blatant, recorded police abuse and widespread protests against police... President "female bad-cop".

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Which is insane........because if Michelle Obama even HINTED at running, it would re-energize the entire democratic party.

I mean I guess the same could also be said about Taylor Swift, but personally I would want her to do some lower positions. We've all seen how terrible a president with no experience can go.

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[–] Apeman42@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Gross. I don't care who you are, President Cop is gonna be a no from me, dog.

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[–] SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I find it interesting how many self identified leftists are cheering and welcoming a racist and corrupt cop as president of the United States.

Like, this isn’t even about the whole “anyone but trump” or “vote 3rd party” war.

The crowd claiming to be the left are just straight up cheering for cops.

Fascinating how I see the left continually blamed for not meeting Dems in the middle with that 1930s Germany copypasta and yet it’s only one of them constantly shifting right.

Since apparently a rabid mob comes up every time someone touches this topic, yes I understand what’s at stake and will be voting accordingly.

I’m sure all these self proclaimed leftists will be there to advocate for the local socialist parties after we secure the presidency right? …right?

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Not I. ACAB. She had a history of horrible policies.

Kamala Harris is a complicated choice for some LGBTQ+ people

https://19thnews.org/2020/08/kamala-harris-complicated-lgbtq-choice/

[–] SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

I have some reservations (need to research her more) as she was relatively progressive in an American context it seems.

If anyone has more starting points for my research, I am absolutely open.

However, for the moment she’s a “NO” from me. Even at the most forgiving judgements, it seems she sent away a whole bunch of poor people and did nothing about the system that is driving them to crime.

Ah also her weird racism, nepotism, and stances on LGBT issues. Who refers to art in their home by the ethnicity of the artist???

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Another one for you. As a Californian, we knew she was bad. That's why she dropped out polling 5th in the primary.

The Human Costs Of Kamala Harris’ War On Truancy. The "progressive prosecutor" wanted to transform how California responded to students missing school. Parents like Cheree Peoples wound up paying the price.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-truancy-arrests-2020-progressive-prosecutor_n_5c995789e4b0f7bfa1b57d2e

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Good info on her background, thank you! As a former Orange resident this is especially disappointing to read this story and how the mother and child were treated.

Harris has since replaced her punitive stance with the message that parents of truant children need help, not scare tactics. It’s a shift that happened roughly in step with voters’ waning tolerance for using the criminal justice system to address complicated social problems and Harris’ own preparations to seek higher office.

Emphasis mine

She’s a cop, down to her core. She’s got the mentality that “I can fix social problems through the threat and use of coercive state violence”. That was her law, that she asked for, I assumed drafted/guided, and defended publicly… until she ran for the Oval Office, and was made to choose compassion.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Yeah, it's all performative ladder climbing bullshit.

Why black voters never flocked to Kamala Harris https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/04/kamala-harris-black-voters-2020-075651

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 5 points 5 months ago

It was wild to see how fast the hype around her candidacy deflated. Admittedly, I got wrapped up in it up until I heard her talk for the second time.

[–] Lemmeenym@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

She did something about the system. She defended it. On two occasions she opposed the release of people who had convictions overturned by demonstrating actual innocence to appellate courts on the basis of legal technicalities, in both cases her office argued that they had waited too long to file a petition to be released. Her office argued against the release of inmates eligible for parole after a federal court ruled that the extreme overcrowding in California prisons was cruel and unusual on the basis that releasing the prisoners would reduce prison labor.

She helped with a cover up of an employee at the state crime lab who falsified testing results. The truth came out after the employee was arrested for stealing drugs from the lab and hundreds of convictions were overturned. She defended a police detective that falsified a confession to coerce a defendant into accepting a plea deal. She opposed requiring police to use body worn cameras. She opposed legislation that would have required her office to review police shootings.

She consistently declined to investigate allegations of police and prosecutor misconduct including police shootings of unarmed people. Eventually she had to for the police, it got to the point that the justice department eventually stepped in to investigate an incident where a group of officers surrounded a mentally ill man with a steak knife and shot him 21 times after Harris refused to review the case. While she cooperated with the federal investigation into the police shooting, she backed the prosecutor who had his entire office removed from a case because of proven misconduct including hiding exonerating evidence.

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[–] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

She had a history of horrible policies.

The idea that voters vote based on policy rather than loyalty is totally incomprehensible to the Democratic party.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Calling out Red MAGA is fine but don't you dare call out Blue MAGA.

Saying that Democrats will vote for literal Genocide if it means Republicans don't win really hurts their feelings. And like the Republicans they will explain that if the other guy wins it would be worse.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 5 points 5 months ago

Yes these are the same people that tell you that Biden hasn't gotten anything impactful done because the president really doesn't have that much power while following that up with claims that Trump would completely end democracy the minute he gets elected. This is a variation of an argument first coined by fascists who claim that their enemy is both weak and all powerful.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

They keep saying that Democrats fall in love while Republicans fall in line, but clearly haven't internalized it.

Because Republicans clearly love Trump, and Democrats keep ordering their base to fall in line.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You realize you are part of the rabid mob too then? Instead of listening to people with which you mostly politically agree, you immediately resort to shitting on and scapegoating them by jumping to a wild conclusion. This type of rhetoric is equally unhelpful.

[–] SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And that’s a fair assessment as well. It is a scapegoat to say those folks don’t support other leftist policies.

However I must disagree that my conclusion was wild.

My train of thought is, people say they support making peoples lives better and implementing policies proven to work and be more cost effective.

When it comes time to ‘nut up’ and do it, their chosen representatives roll over and compromise and refuse to use the same governing tools used against them to stop the rise of fascism.

Republicans famously grind the country to a halt with a minority. It’s their whole shtick, and yet they sail through these fascist policies nationwide with no fighting back from the Feds.

Is it truly that like minded when the purpose of a system is what it does, and my fellow patriots choose the continued decline of society driven by capitalism?

This, I believe, is the source of this leftist’s anger. Open denial of genocide by party leaders, while capital interests make life shittier literally every day, and no way out between “shit choice” and “literal fascist”.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

My stake is that democrats aren’t Nazis. They just dont mind them very much. In fact your political opponents being actual nazis improves your election chances.

There is no left wing in American politics.

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[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Taylor Swift have more chances winning than Harris tbh.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, and Thor would have better chances than Trump. But why compare a normal candidate to a force of fucking nature?

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago

LOL Taylor Swift is indeed a force of nature, or at least can summon one at will.

[–] thericofactor@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 months ago (6 children)

AOC should be running. Actual change.

[–] Excrubulent 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

She'd be a very successful candidate no doubt, if the DNC allowed it. You've seen how they did Bernie and he's an old white guy. I can't imagine them going for AOC. They're a fundamentally conservative organisation that exists to vet candidates and prevent anyone with the will to make "actual change" from being in a position to.

Also, they've argued in court that they are not a democratic organisation. They can block nominations entirely unilaterally, to one of the only two parties that can realistically field a presidential candidate. The other party is much more openly corrupt, which is a genuine achievement.

The US electoral system is entirely captured by corporate interests.

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[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately there's no chance the middle majority would accept her, she'd be super popular with 30% but really struggle with the rest

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Yes, but...

As the Nation is now we'd have to spend a term preparing everyone for it. Her running would realistically begin within weeks after the office is occupied. Lightly, yes, though running still.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (7 children)

What kind of dumbass article is this? Biden is the candidate the election is in five months.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They mean that he could die before then.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

fuck just restart the whole country from scratch.

[–] m4xie 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll get my tea and head out for Boston harbour.

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