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[–] ThermoToaster@exng.meme 35 points 5 months ago

Still waiting for Framework to announce a motherboard with Snapdragon X.

[–] boredsquirrel 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

there’s been a lot of concern that Snapdragon X-based PCs might be locked down to Windows, and while it remains unclear just how easy it will be to install a GNU/Linux distribution on a Snapdragon X PC that ships with Windows, it’s nice to know that at least one company is looking to release a model that will come with Linux pre-installed.

What does that mean? Are they not using UEFI?

I just hope they use Coreboot.

Btw are there any FOSS Coreboot compatible ARM Chromebooks worth looking at?

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Coreboot is for x86-64. ARM usually uses U-Boot.

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not true. For example Libreboot currently supports 2 ARM laptops. The way I understand it is that Libreboot uses U-boot as an extra bootloader, kinda like you would run GRUB after UEFI. U-boot can also just work on it's own and Coreboot ARM devices are rather the exception.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd argue chain loading coreboot/libreboot from u-boot isn't really "supporting it" as much as it's just extending it, but fair enough. In the end it's still using u-boot with extra steps.

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Coreboot uses U-boot as payload meaning it's the other way around. (at least that's how I understand it) I worded poorly what I meant.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Different ARM chips use different boot methods, there's no standard. ARM spec doesn't have any method to actually boot a CPU into a working state. Some ARM chips have crazy booting sequences, for example, some NVIDIA chips boot through GPU.

[–] boredsquirrel 1 points 5 months ago

Crazy! Interesting, a bit like with Wayland. A total mess

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Linux was ready for ARM years ago.

Sad that we need to wait for Windows to get support first so manufacturers and chip makers start to care.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

And Linux/ARM is still liable to be a blip, once RISC-V takes off.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Let's hope we also getting GPU drivers unlike on those cheaper SBCs...

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If TuxedoComputers are working on it, there is faith that they'll do a good job :)

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

i'm glad to know that tuxedo computers is doing it and now i know where my next purchase is going to be.

[–] Duxon@feddit.de 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] ylai@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Likely due to being a prototype. Production laptops from Tuxedo tend to have the “TUX” penguin in a circle logo on the Super key by default. They also have been offering custom engraved keyboard (even with the entire keyboard engraved from scratch to the customer’s specifications) as added service, so probably there will be suppliers or production facility to change the Super key.

By the way, there was one YouTube channel that ended up ordering a laptop with Windings engraving from them: https://youtu.be/nidnvlt6lzw?t=186

[–] Archaeopteryx@kbin.run 11 points 5 months ago

Nice. My next Laptop will be a MNT Reform, but if the performance of the Schenker/Tuxedo ARM laptop is right I wouldn't be averse to buying one as well.

[–] Pekka@feddit.nl 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

This looks great. That would be quite a powerful low-weight machine with long battery life. If they won't be too expensive (and gaming works on them) I might get one. At least RuneLite seems to already support ARM64 on Linux and these chips also put more spotlight on ARM trough Windows on ARM.

[–] boredsquirrel 5 points 5 months ago

Well you will VERY likely need FEX for "Gaming" (if you talk about x86_64 proprietary Windows software)

I am sure Xonotic and others are already available on ARM Linux.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

pretty sweet. wonder what the price will be.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago

Prototypes can go for several million

[–] Gaul_Tux@kafeneio.social 3 points 5 months ago

@ylai my next laptop....Just need to find income

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Nice. A lot of Linux laptops seem sold locked to the inferior ISO keyboard instead of ANSI.

[–] exu@feditown.com 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Big ass enter is way better than the small one.
You can't change my mind.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

I always hit the slash instead and the short shift messes me up too. although I switched to grid aligned 1u keys for everything recently and other boards were put up for free for a month or so and anything unclaimed went to the electronics pile at the transfer station.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

I’m sure the future RSI from reaching your pinky that far from the home row will agree

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago