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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by theacharnian@lemmy.ca to c/anarchism
 

Discussions about scarcity and anarchism that I've seen online seem to always talk about "scarcity in the large", i.e. how does an anarchist society allocate production, food, labour, materials etc.

I've a question about anarchism and scarcity in the small. Say, a really nice location, eg. a breezy location in a very hot climate, or the room with the nice windows in the community centre, or Bag End at the top of the hill. Say, an anarchist community has decided to use the location for purpose X, but a minority wants to use it for purpose Y. Maybe an even smaller minority wants to do Z, and a bunch of other people have their own little ideas about how to use it. Some are transient and could be accommodated (you get it on Tuesdays 5-7) but others might not be ("our sculpture project needs to dry out in that specific spot for the next 4 months, we know it blocks the view but it's the only place the breeze hits just right!") or could be contradictory (the siesta people vs the loud backgammon players can't both use the spot at high noon) or antagonistic (the teenagers who want to party late vs the new parents who need quiet for the babies). And dis-association doesn't really help here because that's the nice spot for many kilometers around or there is literally no way to create another beach for our small island community because that's literally the only place on the island where sand exists, so we can't just off and leave. (* Many of these examples are imagining a hot summer in an anarchist Greece, sorry it's almost August.)

It looks to me like a simple non-life-and-death scenario like this could potentially completely poison and destroy a community and in the face of that it would be the little death of anti-authoritarian organizing. Like yea, when life and death matters are at hand, anarchists will band together and conquer the bread. But petty small-scale little shit where it's managing annoyances and small grievances, I don't think non-authoritarian decision making can solve. And I suspect it's crap like this that has killed off many intentional communities and experiments or made them veer away from non-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian organizing.

Have anarchist thinkers seriously thought of this?

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Any pointers to essays would be welcome.

That said, I think you're sidestepping the problem with a no true Scotsman fallacy. Anarchist groups disintegrate due to petty shit all the time. Why would anarchist communes be immune to the same things?

[–] Flora@literature.cafe 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Essays could be nice, but I don't know any off-hand. That said, I myself am an anarchist thinker. I don't have to be published or be considered "great" in order to know anything.

It's not a fallacy. I'm not side-stepping; I'm confronting your concerns directly. I'm not saying that anarchist groups never disintegrate because of petty issues, nor am I saying that anarchist groups are always immune to these problems. What I am saying is that it is possible for such groups to do well, depending.

It's just simple logic. If you've ever experienced a successful negotiation and compromise situation with another human being, with whom you had some conflicting interests, you're aware that it can be done. Extrapolate it to more people, who happen to be anarchists, and there you have it. It just depends on how able and willing everyone involved is, in connection with the particular problems that they're having.

You'll have problems in literally any and every group of people, but how good people are at dealing with them varies a great deal.

I understand your cynicism, given the state of the world, but it's inaccurate and also discouraging to others if you go about stating things like "But petty small-scale little shit where it’s managing annoyances and small grievances, I don’t think non-authoritarian decision making can solve." It's not always, but it can, sometimes. You know what I mean?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

But you don't have a long beard and a black and white photo portrait! How could I have known! /S

Thank you for your time to put together a thoughtful answer. I of course understand that conflict arises and needs to be addressed in all human interactions.

I guess the next step is to ask whether authority or compulsion would be any better at helping a community navigate such differences, and the answer is meh probably not.

Thanks!

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

While there should be highly coordinated groups like organizations, I think there should be something in between an organization and completely uncoordinated atomized autonomous action. These in-between groups should subsidize cooperation across social distance and difference to make people cooperate and keep the group from disintegrating.

With respect to managing collective property, I have made a post linking an article that I think would be of interest

https://slrpnk.net/post/11712599