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Id say they're making it sexual by saying it's sexual but its not sexual
Did you sleep during biology class? Sexual dimorphism refers to the different morphological characteristics, like outward appearances, between the sexes within a species. Like how male birds are often more colorful than female birds.
OP: says something revealing they don't understand biology
Response: dude, what? You don't understand biology!
You: "maybe they don't understand biology because of all these new-fangled GeNdErS and iDeNtItIeS!!!"
(please don't get me started on this, I am literally about to get my PhD in the ways people intentionally misconstrue and oversimplify sex, sexuality, and sexual selection in nature to obfuscate the validity of LGBTQ+ people in society and I don't want to be here all day)
What's your major?? I couldn't tell which field that would be
I will have a PhD in molecular, cellular, and developmental biology. I have publications in epigenetics/chromatin/gene regulation and similar fields. I also research equity in the sciences, and one specific research focus is inequity for LGBTQ+ individuals in STEM. Therefore, I have expertise in these social issues as well as the biological ones. I will have a certificate added to my PhD in biology that validates this expertise in LGBTQ+ justice and social research methods.
Oh, second comment: your framing is disengenuine.
These are scientists, I'm a scientist, we're held to standards of peer review and methodological scrutiny.
I don't need to establish how and whether we're doing science with authority-- that's the beauty of the invention of the scientific method. I also don't need to establish whether these are facts or opinions, because the body of research is so large and well-discussed, for decades now, that peer review has had plenty of time to do it's work.
To humor you-- the methods used have been all of the above: surveys, experiments, studies, etc.
To humble you-- it's extremely arrogant of you to ask a scientist, to their face, whether their research is real or just opinion. If you think all the research in this field is wrong, you can fix it the way we fix all our science: by conducting your own research and subjecting it to review by other experts in the field.
“…how easy your are offended.”
Says the person literally frothing at the mouth to say trans women aren’t women under a post about monkey noses.
This image of animated characters and monkeys proves that trans people aren’t real? 💀💀
It's a little unclear if you are asking for resources about the diversity of sex, sexual orientation, and sexual selection strategies in nature, OR about the ways in which they are misconstrued by society-- either by ignoring the diversity of nature to favor a heternormative and gender essentialist narrative, or by too closely feeling that what is natural is what should be considered good and just (the naturalistic fallacy).
I, myself, am authoring studies on the latter topic, but the field is so small that by sharing specific examples, I seriously risk doxxing myself (and others with whom I work closely on a politically fraught topic).
One also needs to understand the former before meaningfully engaging with the latter anyway, so I highly recommend the book Evolution's Rainbow by Stanford ecologist Joan Roughgarden. The book is written in plain language (intended for a wider audience than just biology researchers) and details the (at the time-- 2009, with an updated edition from 2016) present summary of known ecological examples of organisms behaving in ways that counter the human social norms surrounding sexual orientation and gender identity. She goes on to discuss the molecular basis of sex and gender in humans, including what is know about difference in brain structures and gene regulation, and then she contextualizes these examples in sociological terms. I think the book is a little dated at this point, and there was some conflict amongst biologists about aspects of the book that aren't related to what we're discussing (related to her modification of Darwin's theory of sexual selection), so it isn't perfect, but it's basically the first thing any junior scholar is asked to read regarding this discussion topic. I think it will provide you with what you are looking for, seeing as it cites hundreds of studies in tens of fields of biological sciences relating to sex, gender, and sexual orientation in humans and other organisms.
Some key facts (mostly covered in the book) that you or others might find interesting:
Studies and surveys of what? That some animals look different based on sex? Go ask some ducks.
I'm all out of ducks to give.
And truth is that both gender and sex are on a spectrum and fluid.
No, not at all.
There's no "mudding the waters", he's just ignorant of what "sexual dimorphism" meant, and not clever enough to check it before leaving a most ironic comment about "making it sexual".
You mean "muddying the waters", by the way. Another example of your ignorance.
Don't lie. You're very much writing like a "only two genders and I don't see how 'sex' and 'gender' are different despite there being a very clear scientific consensus on it" - guy.
You could have at least Google searched it before attempting a gotcha, there are three methods. One doesn't actually change the color, but the other two do.
Your English rather poor, comrade. Better practice front of mirror more times.
If you're born Vladimir, but you move to the West where no-one knows it, and you introduce yourself as Robert and everyone calls you Robert, are you not then Robert?
Gender is not in your DNA silly. That's the whole "gender is different from sex" that's the scientific consensus. You said you rely on science, yet now you argue your brainfarts are more valid than consensus of the entire scientific community?
what are you even saying 💀
Lmaooo what are you on?
Ohh ok. Well thanks for explaining but you didn't have to be mean at the start
"Sexual" in this context just means relating to different sexes, it's not saying they're doing it to be sexually appealing (I hope at least)
It is sexual, because the big noses are supposed to be attractive to the female monkeys. It shows the male is healthy and thus worth it to reproduce with.