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Seriously? The guy who's mental state declined so much that he lost a debate to Trump, that a majority of Democrats wanted him out and whose own party showed him for two weeks that he was losing in all the polls and didn't have a chance, would be a good choice for VP? Like, are you being serious? Why not a Hillary/Biden ticket if you really want to lose?
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He likely could've won as a presidential candidate but you're so sure it's not even worth questioning that just his stink would completely destroy Harris's chances.
I have zero clue what it would be like to be that sure of anything. The confidence you people have in ideas you can't possibly be sure of is...alarming.
Of course I have confidence because I take emotions out of it. Democrats are a better alternative to Trump and Republicans, but if you make excuses for your party all the time cause you're so emotionally invested then you completely lose touch with the reality of what a lot of voters care about, which is honesty & values. Democrats can't win against Trump saying how terrible he is by acting more like Trump.
I would argue that overconfidence specifically results from being overly emotional and not knowing how to deal with it.
I've been saying Biden will drop out for weeks because his debate performance was an eye-opening experience about how much his campaign had been lying and propping him up, and all the polls showed it. Within the first day or two he should have went on multiple live press interviews if he still had his wits about him. He couldn't do it. He ran and hid and then did select interviews where his team even provided the questions for the radio hosts to ask, and he still struggled.
I was called a Trump supporter, a fascist, and even banned from at least one community here on Lemmy. I was consistently downvoted for even expressing any negative opinion about Biden. The behavior was more like I was being attacked by a cult of followers, similar to what was being said about Trump supporters.
Biden dropped out. I was right and they were wrong. I wasn't in the cult. So, if you want to be or stay in a cult, then go right ahead. I'm not going to stop you.
You're delusional. I've seen not one person destroyed by him dropping out. That would be cult behavior. Everyone seems to have accepted it even if they initially didn't think he should drop.
And it's kinda funny your argument here is you were "right" once so from now on you will be.
Democrats have a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot an then blame their voters. Biden, "you're not black unless you vote for me."
If you want to keep shooting yourself in the foot, be my guest. I'd rather talk about innovative ideas for improvement. That is how Democrats can get voters. I'll speak my mind about things if I think you're wrong, but I'm not always right either. I do admit when I was wrong about things.
That isn't what he said. What he said was awkward but that's COMPLETELY irrelevant here.
Back to what we were actually talking about here. You are certain what political moves will and won't be winning and I said I can't imagine thinking I knew anything with such certainty. Then you told me I'm in a cult because you're certain you know how I think, which you absolutely don't. I think this went off the rails a bit.
I don't know who the best candidate is to beat Trump. I just know that they can't coronate Kamala without having her do at least a couple debates with another Democrat to show she's the strongest candidate. Otherwise, they might as well kept Biden cause she may actually get less votes. She might go to speak and then just repeat "what can be, unburdened by what has been." Or she may act goofy in a foolish and cringy way.
I don't know if you're in a cult, and the fact that you're trying to have a discussion still indicates that you probably aren't. I'm not going to go search through your comment history to find out your reactions prior to Biden dropping out to see if you were calling 66% of Democrats saying he should drop out fascists, Trump supporters, or Russian bots.
Biden is done, and so IMO the best thing Democrats can do is to move on for now. The time to remunerate is after November.
Then maybe don't say I am.
I don't recall saying you were in a cult... can you show me where I said that? Was it in another thread? Are you being dishonest here? Why insist I said something I didn't?
If you want to be, doesn't state that you are. I never said you were in a cult. If you want to have a genuine discussion then don't make false claims.
It is absurd that you're going to pretend that's not a strong implication
It was not an implication. I'm sorry you took it that way.
Biden didn't lose the debate. Trump's the guy who audibly shat his pants live in front of the entire nation. Dementia Donald is no match for Hardy Harris.
Biden lost the debate by all accounts. His performance was so bad he literally had to exit the race. You're not going to win by living in la la land.
Trump didn't even answer the questions. The reason Biden exited the race and Trump didn't, is that Biden is a humble man who values the younger generation, and he had a high standard for himself that he didn't meet. Meanwhile Sleepy Don poops his pants on camera and the GOP doesn't care. They're fine running a frail old man who'd drop dead a year into his presidency if he won. Tapioca Trump lost, it just didn't matter because nobody expected him to be coherent.
Where can I see footage of trump audibly pooping his pants?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RYHPVX_Xs6g
You can go to CNN's official video of the debate at the correct timestamp (just google it on Reddit) and hear Target Practice Trump shit himself.
I think Pakman's got some descent opinions. He was one of the more honest personalities about how bad Biden's debate performance was.
This video though does nothing to help Democrats. People aren't going to be less likely to vote for someone cause they possibly farted. It only makes Democrats look bad when they resort to these types of antics.
Biden has seriously hurt the Democrat ticket by staying in as long as he did. He didn't want to drop out. He didn't listen until 40 congressional representatives came out against him and said he needs to drop out because he was hurting their campaigns and polling so poorly.
His team lied to the American people about his condition. Then he made poor excuses and his team was caught leaking post-debate questions to try to prop him up.
I'm grateful he dropped out, but I'm not going to pretend he did this for the right reasons. He did this because he was forced to.
Well, Biden isn't the candidate anymore, so your statements are moot.
Then stop praising him like he valued the younger generation when he ran a second term & got Democrats into this predicament. He put a dirty stain on the party that may still cost Democrats the elections.
I think you just want an excuse to complain about Biden. He already stepped down and did what you wanted, but you're still mad. Hey, you should join !nonvoters@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Yes because word stumbling is the ultimate in incompetence. Lying extensively about everything with zero substance whatsoever, that's a true mark of a leader and master debater
While I agree with you with how it should be, the reality is who conducted themselves better. Notably lying should be a huge liability because the other party can tear apart the lies. However Biden barely did so (a little bit, but mostly let things slide). So absent of context, people saw one man stringing together coherent points that, if you didn't know any better, sounded plausible while the other failed to call him on any of it, while also struggling to put together basic responses.
Usually Biden mistakes are mere 'word stumblings' but that night was really particularly off.
Right I agree that many people are so stupid/ignorant that they will interpret that debate that way. But the truth still matters. That one candidate was trying to be a decent human being and the other was trying his best to be gutter sludge. The very opposite of everything that is moral and decent. It's really disheartening that this truth doesn't even matter anymore. The fact that even some of my own family falls for this crap has been extremely illuminating and depressing. The world has been a whole lot grayer since I realized in 2015 that Trump actually had a chance at winning. And it's only gotten worse since. There's literally nothing the slime ball could do to lose support. We are witnessing the death of thought. All four of my (late) grandparents were lifelong Republicans but I think at least two of them would've opposed him very strongly. I'm not sure what it is, but it really does seem like the more information that is easily available, the more people reject reliable information.
Sorry for the rant it's just... Awful. And this particular point we are discussing here is at the heart of it all. If people just cared about truth a little more, there never would have been a president trump. We would not be worrying about this now. We'd be opposing some regular level asshole like mitt Romney. But no, we have to slog through a world where the shittiest person you can imagine gets rewarded for being that shitty. I'm sick of it.