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‘Not acceptable in a democracy’: UN expert condemns lengthy Just Stop Oil sentences (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] MelodiousFunk 64 points 3 months ago (1 children)

[+] parpol@programming.dev -35 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Am I a liberal? I expect protests to have permission beforehand just like they need in Sweden where I am from. They would have been charged there too.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Government sanctioned protest ain't no protest lol. If you're protesting the government action by asking their permission, might as well write them angry letter so they can throw it in the bin quicker.

[+] parpol@programming.dev -31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You can't justify breaking the law by claiming it is for the greater good, and blocking traffic is breaking the law. Whether you agree with it or not, this is how the world works. Same applies everywhere. If you have a problem with how a kindergarten works, you don't waltz in there and start blocking toddlers from entering. If you hate the food at a restaurant you don't spit in everyone elses plates. Not only is it illegal, it is detrimental to the message you're trying to spread. Find a different method to make your voice heard instead of being probably the most hated type of illegal protester in the world.

[–] superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Actually I can justify breaking a law that I find unjust ❤️

[–] archon@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

most hated type of illegal protester in the world.

Fucking lol, real first world problems over here.

You're saying "it is what it is", but what you're actually saying is this is how it should be while others are arguing it should not.

Change the law and your argument evaporates.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That only works if a government wants to let you protest. And if people will even pay attention if you're protesting in a "citizen approved protesting location".

Kind of pointless to protest if no one pays attention to you.

[–] MelodiousFunk 23 points 3 months ago

For the convenience of our constituents, protest hours are 10:00-14:00 every second Thursday of the month.
Citizens may apply for a protest permit at their local post office.
In the event that potential protestors have different local post offices, each protestor must apply at all applicable post offices, indicating their post code of origin on the back of page 27 (BLUE INK ONLY).
Duplicate applications will be denied.
Please state clearly the reason for the proposed protest in the application in 25 words or less.
Applications take approximately 6-8 weeks per word to process. Successful applicants will be notified by post no later than 12 April of the following year.
Approved protests must be addressed to the brick wall behind the library and are confined to the space enclosed by the chain link fence.
If multiple approved protests occur on the same day, please form a queue, tallest to shortest. The group with the most amount of members in the top quartile will be granted the protest space for the day. Others will need to re-apply after a 60-day probationary period.
Chants will be kept to a conversational speaking volume.
For the safety of the public, no food or drink will be allowed.
Infractions of the rules as outlined in the application will result in the locking of the fence gate for a period of no less than 6 days.
Further punishments are determined at the sole discretion of the Peaceable Protest Committee. Sentences start at 5 years with no maximum. Appeals may be made after the sentence has been served.

[+] parpol@programming.dev -27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You're justifying breaking the law just because you think the cause is good.

I promise you that this kind of protest has the exact opposite effect. Look at the comment section of any youtube video showing protests like this, and you'll see what kind of radicalization this brings.

Get a permit, and protest in a safe way where you can still be seen, but not cause inconvenience or danger. If you think the government would deny you such a permit, then I congratulate you in making news headlines and successfully getting the entire population on your side.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think if you're looking at a YouTube comment section for a rational point of view about anything, you've already lost the plot.

[+] parpol@programming.dev -14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Youtube is as Normie as you can get with the younger generation (the biggest allies of stopping climate change). And of course it isn't going to be rational. There is nothing rational about this. It is to invoke an emotional response and that's what you see in the comment section.

I'm sorry, but only radicalized individuals have any sympathy for the Just Stop Oil protesters.

[–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, youtube is a breeding ground for idiots when it comes to politics. Every comment and every dislike gives a video impressions so that the algorithm shows it to others. Youtube makes bank with hatret just as fox news does. You can bet that all the jzst stop oil clips will be shown to a audience that hates rhem more than people who feel indifferent about them or agree with them. Why? Because they dont comment on the videos.

These people hate what they see but still watch it and then comment on it so youtube shows them more off it.

[–] poVoq 5 points 3 months ago

The science largely disagrees with you; but as usual there are no clear cut answers on such complex topics.

[–] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

On Armistice Day, EDL protesters marched towards the Cenotaph (without permission) and launched fireworks that were intended to hit people and did strike policemen in the face. Let's see if they get 5 years.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/11/world/far-right-protestors-disrupt-armistice-day-london/index.html