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submitted 4 months ago by db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/pleasantpolitics

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/24322992

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[–] bane_killgrind 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A bunch? You mean over 2000 people, many of which arrived ready with supplies and had the ability to frustrate "the existing state apparatus" by virtue of being that apparatus.

On December 8, Trump pardoned retired U. S. Army lieutenant general Michael Flynn, who had pleaded guilty to "willfully and knowingly" making false statements to the FBI about communications with the Russian ambassador. Flynn, a prominent QAnon proponent, participated in the D.C. events on January 5, while his brother, U.S. Army general Charles Flynn, would participate in a conference call on January 6 when he would refuse permission to deploy the National Guard after the breach of the Capitol.

Downplaying the severity of any of this is extremely irresponsible.

[–] poVoq 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We are talking about a hypothetical full on fascist take-over here. As bad as January 6th was, it was a far cry from anything close to that.

And yes, the loyalty of parts of the US police and armed forces to democratic values is highly questionable, but it is still doubtful to me that the majority of them would actively facilitate a fascist take-over. Look the other way? Sure! But actively take part in it? Probably only a small minority.

[–] bane_killgrind 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So I don't think you've read enough about this too understand that the choice between Trump or Biden actually came down to one individual that day.

In the US to mechanism for certifying and creating a transition of power came down to https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/as-jan-6-hearings-what-we-know-about-how-pences-day-unfolded-on-jan-6#:~:text=Pence%20spent%20the%20next%20hours,that%20he%20remain%20in%20place. this guy growing a spine and certifying the election.

The democracy in the US is tenuous enough that ratfucking the rules is enough to usurp the vote.

The other link i posted mentions half a million in Bitcoin transferred to one of these groups.

It's funded, coordinated, and effective. It missed the mark by a hair four years ago.

Edit sorry the Wikipedia page I referenced mentioned the .5m BTC I didn't link it.

[–] poVoq 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You have a curiously mechanistic understanding of the political process. You think if someone throws a wrench like that, everyone else then just shrugs and says: well then, no other choice than to go along with it?

Such legalistic tricks only put a thin layer of legitimacy on a crooked process; mostly for the history books if the people that utilize them succeed though other means.

As for the other point, yes there are some rich people that really want fascism to happen in the US, but not everything can be done by just throwing money at it.

[–] bane_killgrind 1 points 4 months ago

It's not a trick if it's part of the process.

Most things get done by throwing money at it in the states. It's not a good place.