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WYR receive $100,000 immediately in cash or $1.5 per every diamond you mine in vanila hardcore minecraft? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works to c/wouldyourather@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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[–] palebluethought@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean.... The cash is still the right choice, but you can invest the Minecraft earnings too

[–] 667@lemmy.radio 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This made me curious, and while I could have done the long-form math, I’m about to go to bed, so I asked a popular LLM:

To estimate the number of diamonds one could mine in vanilla Minecraft for 40 hours per week over a year, we need to consider a few factors:

  1. Diamonds per hour: This varies based on mining efficiency, methods used (e.g., branch mining, strip mining), and luck.
  2. Hours per week: 40 hours.
  3. Weeks per year: 52 weeks.

Estimation of Diamonds per Hour

A reasonable average estimate, assuming effective branch mining techniques and using the Fortune III enchantment, is approximately 10 diamonds per hour. This estimate can vary significantly depending on mining strategies and in-game conditions, but it's a good baseline for our calculation.

Calculation

  1. Hours per week: 40
  2. Weeks per year: 52
  3. Total hours per year: 40 x 52 = 2080
  4. Diamonds per hour: 10 (average estimate)

Now, multiplying the total hours by the average number of diamonds mined per hour:

Total diamonds = 2080 x 10 = 20,800

Conclusion

Mining efficiently in vanilla Minecraft for 40 hours per week over a year, one could mine approximately 20,800 diamonds.

20,800 x $1.50 = $31,250

This yield would never match the returns of the $100,000 up front.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This may even be worse since the LLM is saying 10 diamonds per hour with the fortune 3 enchantment. That being said, is this true? I haven't played minecraft for a while and 10 diamonds per hour seems really low with no enchantments. Sure, there's more or less an upper limit to how many diamonds you can get in a map, forcing you to have to generate a new map and rebuilding your supplies (which slows you down) but for the most part, i can imagine you get a lot of diamonds in between worlds.

[–] 667@lemmy.radio 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I honestly do not know. With some research I am certain I could find some upper and lower bounds, mostly based on the average prevalence of diamond ore, block-break-time, and time spent. The magnitude is probably correct, but the actual value would probably vary greatly.

E: And we haven’t even considered opportunity cost! If we use the LLM estimate, 10 diamond per hour equates to $15/hr. Awful, and you couldn’t even rest or your average goes down.

E2: And since this is vanilla MC, you would have to spend a great portion of time mining for resources just to be able to mine, it’s kinda like the rocket fuel problem. You’d necessarily have to spend time getting wood, coal, and iron. All this drives down the per-hour earnings dramatically.

[–] 667@lemmy.radio 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Alright, so I got some sleep, and found a page talking about efficient mining techniques. I was right that the magnitude would probably be the same, I fed some info (https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Tutorials/Mining) to the LLM and got this:

From the discussion in the ingested content, it is estimated that the maximum efficiency for mining diamonds is about 1.7% of blocks mined being diamond ore. If you can mine approximately 2500 blocks per hour with a stone pickaxe, you can expect to find around 42.5 diamonds in one hour. This number can vary based on factors like mining technique and enchantments used on tools.

~$132,600 at the end of the first year. This still does not account for inefficiencies like having to stop to make torches, and other issues, but is much better.

At the end of the day, it would still be better to nab the $100,000 up front, invest it, and then you can still go and do other, more time-profitable things.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not certain where it gets that 2500 blocks per hour which make it difficult to interpret (does that already assume getting supplies?) and it become more inefficient because I believe cave exploring is more efficient than straight mining for Diamond. Regardless, 132,000 is not bad actually.

Since I see this as, whether getting 100k now (taking into account 10% interest rate on that money per year, and the fact you can work a job) vs 132k per year in mining diamonds, I made the following table: It basically shows that if your goal is to make more money within 15 years, then the question becomes, do you make over 100k per year? If you do not, then within 15 years making diamond mining your job makes a lot of sense. Bonus, you will never be out of a job or get fired. If you can make over 100k a year or you want to make more money sooner (want to retire soon) then it starts to make more sense to just take the 100k

[–] 667@lemmy.radio 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fascinating study, thank you for making this table. I don't know what the mining assumptions are in terms of speed. You're right that $132,000 is nothing to thumb your nose at. It's certainly really grindy, but extra returns can be made by investing what you don't spend. I think I would still struggle to find myself mining every day of the week for 15 years though!

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

oof, it looks like you calculated 132k with a 60 hour work week. I guess that's not exactly the worst, but at 40 hour work weeks you're making 88,400 USD. I think that's still not too bad but it definitely changes the math quite a bit. if you're living almost anywhere in the world except for the top 10 countries in income, 88,400 USD per year is pretty good.