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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Yeah cause it's a great idea to change candidates 4 fucking months before the election.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There have been plenty of presidential elections where the candidate wasn't known until the nominating convention in August. This whole "12 month election cycle" bullshit is a pretty new phenomenon.

Anyway, the absolute media shitstorm that will ensue if Biden is dropped from the ticket will more than make up for the late start to a new candidate's campaign — the new DNC nominee will dominate the news cycle for weeks without having to spend a dime.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This whole "12 month election cycle" bullshit is a pretty new phenomenon.

That exactly the point. We're in the age of the 24 hour news cycle were attentions spans have been grounded into dust. For a campaign to win there needs to be nonstop engagement. Half of lemmy forgot all the actual good stuff Biden has done in his 4 years. Even the stuff they wanted and legitimately benefitted from. The fuck is a new candidate going to do in 3 or 4 months?

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Considering that Biden has done fuck-all to evangelize the good things his administration has done, anything a new candidate does to campaign in the next few months would be an improvement.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s not the president’s job to evangelize his accomplishments. It’s his job to run the fucking country, and at that he did great.

It’s the media’s job to report the reality of what’s going on in government so people can make good decisions, by connecting the job performance to the public perception. At that, they have done an openly corrupt, dishonest, lazy, etc etc you get the idea they shit the bed way worse than Biden did at the debate, and they do it every day.

There is a reality of campaigning, and a legitimate sense in which the DNC and Democratic consultant driven campaign apparatus is awful and the GOP’s is pretty skilled. Honestly, their masterful corruption of the media is how we got to the state we’re in.

But hitting the fastest runner in the competition in the legs with a bat, and then saying it’s his job to win the race, after all, is kind of missing the point. Like yes you are right but there is an additional factor you are neglecting.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

The media is actively hostile, an opponent, because trump means clicks and money. So it does fall on the campaign to...campaign, even more. A new candidate can only be an improvement on that front

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 16 points 5 months ago

Because attention spans are short, we should need even less time to position a candidate. Voters aren't going to remember 4 months ago in November, right?

[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Normally I’d agree, but this ain’t your average election. A Dem candidate younger than Biden could be out there pounding the campaign trail day after day, generating enthusiasm in a way that Biden now seems physically incapable of doing.

Plus, a large number of voters hate both candidates. A shiny new candidate would be exciting and unprecedented, and would get boatloads of attention. They could easily close the gap with Trump, despite what the polls say.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

This only works if Kamala declines the nomination at the convention. Otherwise leapfrogging her to get someone shiny and new would anger too many voters.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

A shiny new candidate would split the Democrat vote guaranteeing Trump the win.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 months ago

A new candidate will be mince meat from Republican attacks. Right now, there's limits on what they can say that Biden will do during his term. "He will take away all guns!" But Biden was already president and didn't do that, "he's going to force everyone to buy EV cars!" Again, he's already president and didn't do that already, etc. A new candidate will get accused of wanting to do all these things, and Republicans/independents will be more likely to believe them than those attacks being attributed to Biden.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

4 months is a massive amount of time. Other counties have their entire election cycle in half the time. America’s 1-2 year long presidential election cycle is so weird.

[–] SuperRecording@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

It's a bad idea not to when it'd be a guaranteed loss

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 5 months ago

well its a great idea for your opponent to push forward.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't super Tuesday when it usually becomes pretty clear in March, but the convention is where it's known. So best case scenario a few months ago. Worst case the convention. 12 months is absurd and not possible, unless, your party has decided who will win the primaries before anyone even votes.... and they totally don't do that... ever...

People that are loud about it now are loud because they have been screaming about it for the last 5 years and suddenly the DNC is all surprised like they didn't already know. We know we're fucked. But they fucked it. A sentient human will talk a lot of people that are disgusted with the two options to maybe show up and vote. A lot of people just want to watch it burn.

We can't change candidates because no one has voted on shit. It would split the party (which I am ok with other than the Trump/end of democracy problem). The DNC did this.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

All because they were afraid that we would actually get Bernie. They basically begged Biden to run, because no one else would have beaten Bernie in the primary.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

nearly all elections were like this until 2016; nobody was sure who the candidate was until the convention.