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Protesters in Barcelona have sprayed visitors with water as part of a demonstration against mass tourism.

Demonstrators marching through areas popular with tourists on Saturday chanted “tourists go home” and squirted them with water pistols, while others carried signs with slogans including “Barcelona is not for sale.”

Thousands of protesters took to the streets of the city in the latest demonstration against mass tourism in Spain, which has seen similar actions in the Canary Islands and Mallorca recently, decrying the impact on living costs and quality of life for local people.

The demonstration was organised by a group of more than 100 local organizations, led by the Assemblea de Barris pel Decreixement Turístic (Neighborhood Assembly for Tourism Degrowth).

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well have fun "regulating" capitalism away.

[–] cuchilloc@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean they mostly want to get rid of airbnbs, which I think it’s also not fair but that’s Barcelonas main problem. I’d say there should be some zoning rules or limits regarding them. But bans would also just prompt to ways of getting around those bans. I am not a big fan of “blame the system” when it’s people setting up airbnbs as it is more cost effective for them than regular renting. We need to self regulate ourselves somehow — give us another economic or political system, and the same inequalities and abuses will show up, I have not much proof but also no doubt . The system is not the problem, greed is, and it’s not capitalism-induced greed , it’s part of human nature.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm always very confused by comments like this.

You say

I am not a big fan of “blame the system” when it’s people setting up airbnbs as it is more cost effective for them than regular renting.

Like, bro, what makes one option more cost-effective than another option? What do you call the set of rules, regulations, the set of institutions that create them and the set of relations and norms that govern the dependencies between the parts of society that end up creating this or that incentive structure? Because in my vocabulary, the easiest way to describe this concept is ...a system.

We need to self regulate ourselves somehow — give us another economic or political system, and the same inequalities and abuses will show up, I have not much proof but also no doubt. The system is not the problem, greed is, and it’s not capitalism-induced greed , it’s part of human nature.

This is such a meaningless statement. Humans operate within societies. Societies impose incentive structures and set up institutions that make certain activities easy and others hard. Certain behaviours are societally penalized, others are rewarded. It's the same species of humans that lives in countries with a lot of corruption and in countries without very little corruption for example. Same human nature here and there, but different outcomes. Changing, improving, reforming, replacing the system is a very meaningful discourse to have. It's literally what democratic politics is supposed to be about: how a citizenry decides what the common polity is to be.

[–] cuchilloc@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Talking about Barcelonas and most cities’ gentrification problem, it’s not capitalism is what I meant for “blaming the system”. Then the other was regarding “regulation”. The incentive could be elsewhere instead, e.g. let BCN be a tourism whorehouse and improve the QOL in the suburbs, connect them with trains, shift big tech companies to relocate with tax benefits etc . It’s not a tourism problem its an everybody wants to be in the same city problem. Just expand what makes BCN amazing outwards . Transport , bike lanes , wide roads and urban planning . It’s like, they made one great plan and they forgot to iterate on it for the current time, and expand it properly. I don’t feel it’s fair to use capitalism as a sort of “swear word” freely . Like you state the problem can be attacked from a lot of angles and it’s not a “capitalism” problem but the sum of relations and norms , wants and needs. If all cities were “not capitalist” there would still be some more coveted than others and that would create a housing problem anyway.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The system is not the problem, greed is, and it’s not capitalism-induced greed , it’s part of human nature.

Rampant, unfettered capitalism exponentially enhances greed as more people gain unlimited wealth.

The way to limit greed is to have laws in place that limit capitalism. Unfortunately many of those laws we used to have were dismantled during the trickle-down era of Reagan and Thatcher.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Really it's just greed. Every system of government has the same fundamental flaw, it consolidates power, and creates an oligarchy. The solution is the same one we've been using, strong worker protections, regulations on corporations, and a constant reinforcement of the social safety net.

Our system is perpetually falling into oligarchy. It's our (and our representatives) job to ensure that we're regularly propping it back up with heavy investment into the populations welfare.