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Is anybody else a bit disappointed about the recent days with Fedora Atomic? (self.linux)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Guenther_Amanita to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love Fedora Atomic (Silverblue, Bazzite, Kinoite, Aurora, IOT, etc.), more than any other distro I used, and I plant to continue using it.

It never made any problems on any of my devices, and because it is pretty much indestructible and self-managing, I even planned to install it on my Mum's new laptop, in case her current one (basically a toaster with Mint on it) breaks.

But with the last days, my trust is damaged quite a bit.

First one, where I couldn't update anymore on uBlue, because of faulty key pairs. This is a huge thing for me because uBlue updates in the background, and if I wouldn't have read it here on Lemmy, I would have found out way too late, which is a security risk imo.

And now, my devices weren't able to boot anymore due to some secure boot stuff. Again, if I wouldn't have subscribed the Fedoramagazine, I would have noticed it way too late.
I was able to just boot into an older image and just paste a few commands from the magazine's post, and it was resolved in just seconds (download time not included).

Both instances were only a minor thing for ME.
But both would have been a headache if I wouldn't follow those blogs, which is a thing only nerds (like myself) do.
Nobody else cares about their OS, it is supposed to just work, hence why I use Atomic.

I don't wanna blame the devs (both j0rge/ uBlue and the Fedora team), they were very quick, transparent and offered very simple fixes.
And, being able to just boot into an older image, just in case, is something I am very thankful for, but nothing I want to depend on.

Having to be informed about stuff like this and then having to use the CLI is just a no-go for most people.

Am I over-reacting about this too much? What's your view on those things?

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[–] people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If Red Hat were to stop officially supporting Fedora tomorrow, can you guarantee the project will still survive?

Can Android/AOSP survive if Alphabet were to give up on it tomorrow?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sorry to be rude, but can't you just go read the docs to understand this?

Fedora is a fork of Red Hat, the same way Ubuntu is a fork of debian. Yes, it is now singular to being its own thing. It is also not corporate controlled.

[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Fedora is a fork of Red Hat, the same way Ubuntu is a fork of debian.

I think you've got your ordering and terms a bit confused, there. There's no forking as such going on in the EL ecosystem.

To explain it as simply as I can, as there are quite a few people mixing this up in here.

Fedora is *upstream *of Red Hat (Or RedHat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) to be exact - Redhat is a company owned by IBM that does a bunch of stuff, not just RHEL).

Fedora feeds into CentOS Stream (Essentially a staging area for RHEL). This has no relation to CentOS Linux, which is dead.

RHEL is then built from CS at point releases and sold commercially through licencing.

There are distros such as Rocky, Alma, Oracle Enterprise Linux and possibly some smaller ones that strive to be near exact clones of RHEL (Rocky claims bug-for-bug compatibility, Alma doesn't any more as they build in a different way) - these follow RHEL's point releases, and might be considered a poor and loose definition of forking, but rebuilding is a more accurate term.

All these distros are under the blanket term of "Enterprise Linux" because it's shaped around RHEL, even though most are free. Historically this worked well, as people learned Enterprise skills using Fedora and Centos Linux which turned into careers (including for me). Then Redhat went a bit mad and that all changed.

The only similarity to Debian/Ubuntu is that Ubuntu uses Debian as a base, and builds upon it. Like RHEL, it adds commercially licenced bits to its distro and rebuilds other parts into something unique, and like RHEL, Rocky, Alma and OEL do with Fedora, it feeds back improvements and development into Debian.