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Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love Fedora Atomic (Silverblue, Bazzite, Kinoite, Aurora, IOT, etc.), more than any other distro I used, and I plant to continue using it.

It never made any problems on any of my devices, and because it is pretty much indestructible and self-managing, I even planned to install it on my Mum's new laptop, in case her current one (basically a toaster with Mint on it) breaks.

But with the last days, my trust is damaged quite a bit.

First one, where I couldn't update anymore on uBlue, because of faulty key pairs. This is a huge thing for me because uBlue updates in the background, and if I wouldn't have read it here on Lemmy, I would have found out way too late, which is a security risk imo.

And now, my devices weren't able to boot anymore due to some secure boot stuff. Again, if I wouldn't have subscribed the Fedoramagazine, I would have noticed it way too late.
I was able to just boot into an older image and just paste a few commands from the magazine's post, and it was resolved in just seconds (download time not included).

Both instances were only a minor thing for ME.
But both would have been a headache if I wouldn't follow those blogs, which is a thing only nerds (like myself) do.
Nobody else cares about their OS, it is supposed to just work, hence why I use Atomic.

I don't wanna blame the devs (both j0rge/ uBlue and the Fedora team), they were very quick, transparent and offered very simple fixes.
And, being able to just boot into an older image, just in case, is something I am very thankful for, but nothing I want to depend on.

Having to be informed about stuff like this and then having to use the CLI is just a no-go for most people.

Am I over-reacting about this too much? What's your view on those things?

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[–] boredsquirrel 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Upstream Fedora is pretty bad with troubleshooting.

I honestly think the traditional Fedora with dnf is bad. I tried it and it was a pain. But the packages are pretty nice.

The issue is: Fedora is a testing platform. Their kernels are fresh. Fedora Atomic is not a finished product (and also not marketed as such in any way).

uBlue literally uses unreleased quay OCI images of Fedora atomic. They are built, but not used. The official ones are not even signed.


Fedora is not a stable distro at all. So they should focus a lot on

Also, as most problems are because

  • outdated grub (fixed soon with F41 likely, only on atomic)
  • too new kernel
  • weird kernel module stuff
  • rpmfusion sync issues

Many problems can be avoided by using a different Kernel!

Kwizart maintains the official LTS Kernel, built for Fedora, CentOS and RHEL

Replacing the kernel with this may be a solution for many problems

Use my COPR command script

copr enable kwizart/kernel-longterm-6.6
rpm-ostree install kernel-longterm

Not sure if then both are kept.