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The US already has 80k troops there, 3k more isn't some kind of escalation.
Wtf is this comment tree. I have a feeling some of the comments I read are made by russian bots trying to make 3k soldiers seem like a dramatic red line news when so many more notworthy things were done in the past years.
Wouldnt surprise me. Lemmy has no tools to prevent russian bots and propaganda at all. Lemmy doesnt even have Voting contest mode or multi account detection to prevent manipulation
Its also possible that normal users got confused and make drama out of it because they read russian bots
Or maybe some are by pentagon hawks looking to stoke the flames of war?
Seriously though, calling people who don't parrot your opinion bots is toxic rhetoric. You are more than welcome to examine who is making what votes, that information is all public. But if you were to take a close look at my account (and others whom I assume you are accusing of being bots) we are all organic Lemmy accounts.
3k is 3k. It's an increase. It's not war starting today but it's definitely not a step in the right direction. Calling attention to the likely scenarios of the US escalating their military presence in the region is most certainly not Russian propaganda just because it contradicts the American propaganda.
Why do you keep phrasing this as if a war didn't already start over a year ago after Russia invaded Ukraine?
Seems you'd rather see innocent Ukranians slaughtered than offer them any aid. Why is that?
it's not that; it's that it's the US doing it for a country halfway across the world, as if we're actually going there to help instead of taking advantage of the situation because Russia's involved
if we do go there, it's not gonna be for aid
Because the US is not involved directly. They are not at war here nor should they be. A direct intervention by the us will directly lead to an exchange of nuclear weapons.
I'd rather see nobody die, but seeing as we're in the situation were in I'd prefer if the whole world didn't go up in flames just to offer Ukrainians aid.
You keep seeming to think that the US is solely responsible for Ukraine, why is that?
We're in a post about the US sending troops to Europe which is why I'm talking about the US's involvement. I suppose when you work at a troll farm it's hard to keep all the separate posts straight, eh?
I suppose it's easier to attack than to actually read and comprehend what someone says. I'm fully aware of who I'm talking to and what post were in. You're the guy I triggered by not wanting the us to escalate the situation into WW3 by committing troops.
Typical reddit liberal moment calling someone who doesn't agree with the US a "Russian bot".
I'm not disagreeing with you but assuming anyone online disagreeing with US policy is a "Russian bot" with absolutely no proof is a very typical reddit lib moment, which was my point. That can just be thrown around to shut down anything.
If you don't like Russia and are pro-US, I don't automatically assume you're a US bot.
You have a completely different outlook then. I'm sorry, but we are not your protector. The US is on the other side of the world.
We are criticizing the US. Nobody is trying to say the US is worse than Russia here. We are meetelt pointing out the fact that escalating troops in Europe is a bad baby step towards all out war. If the us commits troops on the ground on the side of Ukraine, Russia will declare ware and nato article 5 will be invoked. All sides are nuclear poweres. First it might start with tactical nukes on your side of the world. Then it will escalate to ICBMs. It will end when there are no countries or borders and most of the world is dead and in ruin with Eastern Europe being ground zero. Idk why you would want to escalate the situation with US military involvement when it literally would make your part of the world a nuclear wasteland.
But hey, if not wanting to see the world get nuked makes me a Russian bot so be it. Better that than a pentagon warhawk trying to profit off this whole thing.
And that right there is the problem. The us sees itself as some sort of imperial world police and it is not. Sorry, but we've got enough problems going on in or own country that we shouldn't be subsidizing your defense and social programs.
Europe get the benefit of having American pretectors by not spending as much on defense and in turn getting to use that for internal development. I think it served it's purpose in rebuilding Europe after WW2, but now that the EU is a power on par with the US I think it's high time for a European military to defend itself instead of relying on the whims of an imperial power.
You should know that this lemmy community is hosted on lemmy.ml, an instance founded by tankies after they got banned from reddit and still moderated by them.
Nah it's more like calling someone carrying water for Russia and blaming the US for a war that Russia started a year ago a Russian bot.
Nobody is blaming the US for starting this war. We are all literally saying that an escalation like committing troops would escalate quickly into nuclear war and we are criticizing the US for taking even baby steps in that direction.
Compare that with you trying to dive head first into a nuclear conflict we don't belong in. Which weapons manufacturer or military branch do you work for?
You have stated multiple times in your comments that the US is trying to start a war. Several other people have called you out on this.
Nobody is buying your nuclear war propaganda. You're just trying to give cover to Russian aggression in an attempt to allow them to capture control of Ukraine. What happens if they do capture Ukraine and then invade yet another country with all these new conscripts? Would you once again tell us to just sit around and watch because you're 'scared' that we might upset Russia? How long do you keep that up? This parallels Germany in the early 20th century. Those wars didn't end because people sat by and let them do what they want for fear of conflict.
why do you think that the US in particular has the responsibility to directly get involved?
Literally where? I have only ever stated the fact that the US commiting troops on the ground would escalate the current conflict into WW3. I'm literally here arguing for peace and not to escalate to nuclear Armageddon. L
You on the other hand seem very much determined to see as much of the world burn as possible and it's sick. Learn some history and become aware of what would actually happen if your wet dreams come true
https://lemmy.piperservers.net/comment/338073
https://lemmy.piperservers.net/comment/338825
"Arguing for peace" as you state "Ukranians have the right to die like [you] have the right to safety"
Give me a break. We get it your guy Putin isn't doing so great so you want to make it easier on him to murder innocent civilians in Ukraine.
I don't know if you're genuinely trolling or just being plain ignorant.
I'm literally comparing how weapons assistance starts small and escalates to large scale involvement based on higher level comments saying something along the lines of
Context is king buddy. How does that whole quote go you glossed over of mine?
Paraphrasing because you didn't link to me saying that.
And the point still stands, I never said the us was trying to start a war
Why is it being done?
This is how things start. Just like with weapons assistance, first it's a little then it's billions on the regular. This is an increase to an already way oversized presence of a foreign continents military in a delicate situation.
It's not a delicate situation for Ukrainians, they're defending their freedom. Accusing the US of escalation here when Russia violently invaded it's peaceful neighbor?
I mean the first issue here is that you think the US government actually gives a shit about humanitarian things; they're doing this because it'll be beneficial to them, not out of the goodness of their heart
you really need to understand that you can't take the US at its word when it says it's sending soldiers to another country for moral reasons
No country on the planet is any different. Just so happens the us is aligned with the global west in deciding to support Ukraine. That's just how it is.
At the same time NATO is consolidating membership, again, for geopolitical gain, not charity.
Welcome to reality. Declaring the US a sane geopolitical operator is not the hot take you think it is.
you might be surprised by how many people don't understand this tho
Do you understand what escalation means? Escalation doesn't have anything to do with who started it. It's a relative action: it escalates from some state. The USA is committing troops where it previously hadn't (or, more pedantically, is increasing the number of committed troops). This is escalation.
You can complain about Russia starting this, but you should also complain about the USA escalating the situation.
Wtf does this have to do with the US escalating their military presence? You do realize that once the us officially get involved it's WW3 with literal nukes, right? You don't seriously think a territorial conflict between Russia and Ukraine is worth nuking the world over, do you?
Remember how WW1 escalated? Treaties calling everyone into a pointless war over someone else's conflict.
Is 83K more than 80K? Yes? Then it's an escalation.