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Prosecutors say Alec Baldwin was ‘engaged in horseplay’ with gun before fatal shooting
(www.theguardian.com)
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We could get around this by having specific calibers that only come in blanks.
Not really though because still, if anything is in the barrel, it becomes a projectile.
Ok but that's a separate issue and something that can happen with a regular gun loaded with a regular caliber blank, what they're saying is fake guns for movies should use a caliber for which no bullets exist, solving the main part of the issue, i.e. the fact that someone can load a normal bullet in a gun that is to be used as a prop.
This would help avoid this specific death, but not most others where the projectile wasn't an actual bullet from a live round, but something stuck in the barrel, like the other person says.
This situation was unusual in the sense that an incompetent armorer had live rounds on set, and the gun was loaded with one.
What I mean is that the main part of the issue is exactly not this.
Did anybody ask about most others, or were we having a highly specific conversation about a very real and somewhat recent event?
First,
... doesn't seem relevant, since saying something doesn't require you personally asking about it at all, second,
... answers your question, and that quote is most of the original comment, I could even have quoted the whole of it.
Pot Calls the Kettle irrelevant.
You've failed to read all of the comment I was answering to, which is not yours so it's not clear what are you doing in this thread at all.
Calling you out on whataboutism and watching you get really defensive for some reason. WBU?
Either you are high or a bot, stop talking please
"most others"
Maybe I'm not paying enough attention to that, but is it really something that happens that often on movie sets where it's something stuck in the barrel?
Most other cases where people were shot on set
You'll have to help me because I can't find any of those "most other cases"... I haven't looked before the 90s though
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents
Brandon Lee? And someone else whom I can't remember
Jon-Eric Hexum.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
Pressure from the explosion of the blank coming out the nozzle, so no debris involved either.
I don't know why you would be opposed to taking measures to prevent one way these accidents can happen just because they can happen another way... 100% or nothing is a pretty stupid way to deal with issues.
I don't know that either.
It’s not a separate issue. It’s exactly how Brandon Lee died. It was just a piece of a bullet, not even a complete one. Lots of hard objects that can get lodged in there that instantly become a lethal projectile.
Besides this person wants “realistic recoil.” That requires a lot of force. So it’s always a risk.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents
It's not a common issue in general and taking preventive measures to prevent at least one risk is a good step in the right direction.
From the description of the incident it seems like Lee wouldn't be dead if they had used a gun in which it was impossible to put real bullets in the first place.
That is exactly what we are saying. They should not use firearms that are capable of launching projectiles. Which is exactly what happened on the set of Rust.
As a camera operator I have no desire to die for somebody else’s art. Especially not just because they want a more realistic looking firearm/recoil.