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The main reasons I've seen from vegans for not eating meat seem to be all about the morality of eating a sentient animal, the practices of the modern meat industry, and the environmental impact of it. And don't have anything to do with the taste of meat.

Since lab-grown meat doesn't cause animal suffering, and assuming mass production is environmentally friendly, would you consider going back to eating meat if it were the lab-grown kind?

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[–] Aksamit -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you think vegans should passively put up with bullshit from trolls and never poke fun back? Why?

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Are you-

Um. I don’t know what’s even happening here. How do you not get what I’m saying.

Just fyi, when I’m trying to stem the flow of vegan hate I see online, I find way, way, way more success in not being an obnoxious asshole.

Or put another way: “it’s best when trying to make sure not everyone hates a good cause, to not be a total dick.” (Read: you’re being a total dick and not helping your cause.)

It’s a stupid trend, bashing and shitting all over vegans and vegetarians saying the habit is a good thing.

“I understand it’s a stupid trend that people on the internet hate vegans and anyone speaking positively about veganism/vegetarianism.”

Don’t make it harder for everyone else to get on board with this kind of shit.

“You’re making sticking up for veganism/vegans much harder by, as mentioned before, being a dick.”

Get it now?

[–] Aksamit -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you have less respect for vegans because you saw a vegan once took the piss out of a carnist troll on an internet forum... you do realise that's fucking pathetic of you right?

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That’s…not what I’m saying. At all. Are you…reading what I’m writing? I literally can’t make it any clearer.

You, (as in you, the person I’m talking to) are being a dick (a douchebag, a pissant, an annoying prick). And you being a dick (douchebag, pissant, et. al) makes trying to stop others (other people on the internet; people who are not you; meat eaters) from hating all vegans (other people; not yous who also happen to subscribe to and live the vegan lifestyle).

You being a dick makes vegans look like assholes. And looking like assholes makes people hate vegans even more. Stop it.

[–] Aksamit 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

So in order to placate the meat eating masses, vegans should never talk back to the meat headed trolls?

Bruh a vegan having good comebacks to trolling isn't going to tank the cause and my putting a troll in their place with a good quip isn't going to make the meat eating bigots hate vegans any more or less. They're going to hate us anyway, so why not let some vegans enjoy fucking with them back?

Or you know, just get the fuck over yourself and stop trying to control people.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No. In order to help…yknow…the earth? The animals? Why is this so much about other people for you?

Why are you vegan? For yourself? For clout? As I mentioned…like, three or four times…my whole idea is to help promote the good idea. Not you, not others. And you’re standing in the way of a good thing because you can’t get the fuck over yourself.

[–] Aksamit -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

So you promote this good thing by shitting on other vegans and acting as if you make the rules? Lmao, you're really making us look so great infront of the meatheads.

I'm not sure you've thought this through tbh.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

No.

No. Like, what is your damage?

For real. How are you not understanding what I’m saying?

I’m saying you’re not doing veganism any favors by being a dick. Holy shit, I literally have run out of ways to put what I’m saying. I’d like to see the idea stop getting shit on by people online. And people like you, being a dick, make that unlikely. Veganism is already facing an uphill battle in the likeability/image department, thanks to organizations like PETA and their annoying, obnoxious antics. You, being a dick about veganism makes that hill even steeper. Are you…grasping this yet?

[–] Aksamit 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Do you think the non-vegans in this thread respect you and like veganism more now after your behaviour here?

Or do you think that they also think you're a massive gaping asshole of a vegan?

Who would consider joining this movement after seeing you trying to be the vegan morality police over a joke you didn't like made by a fellow vegan?

The standard for veganism that you're trying to insist on setting here is socially controlling, demanding, manipulative and just plain unlikable.

You're really not helping the vegan cause with this behaviour.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ironic. “Don’t be a dick” is an unlikeable position.

That makes sense.

[–] Aksamit -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah fam, what's ironic is that you're the one being the dick here.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

lol. I ended up getting frustrated with you because it took me explaining a really simple thing like five different ways before you understood what I was saying. I feel like that wouldn’t hint at you being a really great judge of much, especially communicating about something you claim to care about with people on the internet. So…

[–] Aksamit 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even an ounce of self reflection would go a long way my dude. Here's hoping one day you'll be able to get over that ego of yours and give it a go.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Oh my god the irony of this comment is almost too much.

I started out this entire goddamn odyssey of a conversation doing nothing more than suggesting you change your tact. Telling you i support what you’re doing but think you’re going about it all wrong.

You got snarky—even though you entirely misunderstood what I said. And continued misunderstanding what I was saying. Calling you out on doing your cause no favors and me getting annoyed that I couldn’t get my point across has nothing to do with….anything that you’re now trying to make me think this conversation has ever been about lol

[–] Aksamit 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting to feel ableist for laughing at you. This is no longer fun for me so I'm blocking you now.

Hopefully you can become a better person on your own. Good luck wanker.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

lol the “no u r” defense. A+

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

You are making a fine argument against acting like an asshole. But the thing is, they are not acting.