this post was submitted on 11 Jun 2024
336 points (99.1% liked)

Programming

17486 readers
235 users here now

Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!

Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.

Hope you enjoy the instance!

Rules

Rules

  • Follow the programming.dev instance rules
  • Keep content related to programming in some way
  • If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos

Wormhole

Follow the wormhole through a path of communities !webdev@programming.dev



founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 123 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It feels like actual innovation in all sectors has slowed to a crawl, and corporations – especially the ones run by MBA parasites – are concentrating more and more on just squeezing money out of people with various bullshit tactics, while at the same time thinning their workforce (naturally the MBAs are never under threat, though)

[–] Laser@feddit.de 67 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Oracle was never really innovative on a technical level , it's first and foremost a company focused on selling licenses, and they're really innovative in that regard but if you fall for that as a company, I have no pity, this is their whole schtick.

Big companies in general are often rather conservative in nature while innovation happens on smaller scale and later expands.

The big problem is rather that a lot of innovation has been absorbed by the big companies via buyouts, especially when money was cheap to borrow. Innovation bears risk, buying an established solution and milking existing users much less so.

I don't think the users are without blame. A lot of people ignore the red flags when a solution is just convenient enough (we need the commercial support / this exactly covers our use case so we don't have to hire someone to adapt it / ...) and the vendor then cashes out when moving away from his solution would be really expensive.

I think there's still a lot of innovation lately, but a lot people are just looking for the next big thing that does everything it feels like.

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I was a developer at Oracle. We got handed down sales goals. ??? It was a running joke in our org that oracle is a sales company and we just scramble to make what they're selling. When I left half our org had been laid off or left. Only got two raises in the 5 years I was there. Not worth.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 months ago

The big problem is rather that a lot of innovation has been absorbed by the big companies via buyouts

Which ultimately does seem to lead to innovation slowing down. The big players buy out any potential smaller competitors, and very often just outright kill the products / services they inherited in the acquisition.

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

oracle did not develop java. it was developed at sun, which oracle then bought

[–] Laser@feddit.de 5 points 5 months ago

Alright, not that I wrote or implied that anywhere... In fact Java was probably the whole reason Oracle bought Sun to gain leverage over Android. Which fits very much into what I wrote - one company innovates, another one buys them to squeeze users (Google wasn't a customer of Sun, they used their own implementation which wasn't exactly Java but also not exactly anything else). Just that Sun by all means wasn't a small company, I mean they controlled almost a full stack with their own processors (SPARC), workstations and servers (Blade was somewhat famous), an operating system with Solaris (and if you want to count it even JavaOS) and Java on top of those, and they contributed a lot of technology like NFS, ZFS (license discussions aside). On the other hand, when they bought someone, the product wasn't just milked to death, but actually integrated into their stack and continued to be developed in the open.

Shame it turned out that way, I guess Sun was a bit overleveraged with how much they did vs. how much they made from it. And to think that Oracle paid less than a fifth than what Twitter sold for later for all of that technology to go to waste, just for a chance to sue Google... But we long as suits continue to license their stuff because they have cool advertisements at airports, this will keep going.

[–] NostraDavid@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago

Oracle was never really innovative on a technical level

Even their RDBMS and SQL was copied from ideas that came from IBM. And I recall either E. F. Codd or one of the SQL guys making a remark about Oracle's less-than-saviour sales tactics, even back in the 90s.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We're at the end-times for western capitalism, where rent-seeking has become the primary driver of markets. It's happening all around us.

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

corporations – especially the ones run by MBA parasites

Is that not all of them right now?

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 months ago

Probably the majority